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Not an option, you got to sign for prescriptions. Cant they just take the signature from the original registration forms? 
Just been to register at the local GP...
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I already posted above that they aren't (or in a lot of cases aren't).
I'm dealing with a case now of a patient who comes from Bangor but had an accident here. There is nothing on the system to tell our Clinicians his Co-Morbidities so armed with his address somebody had to ring Bangor Hospital (or whatever).
Hey guys.
So I needed to register at a new GP. They didn't need this extra info (I still don't smoke, drink much or changed sex and race), just my name, address,NHS number, DoB and phone number. The latter been spammed each time they've got staffing issues...
Since I started this thread I've continued to not give away my data, unless good reasons for its requirement are given. I just feel this a sensible approach, not to be anonymous or anything, but to just have as much control over it as possible. In fact I've found that less data has been requested as time has gone on, maybe it's too risky/expensive with GDPR to protect the data. Who knows?
Bonus points: Also don't have social media accounts. The tin foil hat I made in 2017 gave me long enough to realise FB, WhatsApp, Insta, Twitter etc were not really something I needed to share my life with.
I am a PIA and will always ask "why?" if extra info is requested. Now I have my COVID microchip embedded in my arm though, I'm not sure much use this approach will be. Tin foil sleeves are uncomfortable
So I needed to register at a new GP. They didn't need this extra info (I still don't smoke, drink much or changed sex and race), just my name, address,NHS number, DoB and phone number. The latter been spammed each time they've got staffing issues...
Since I started this thread I've continued to not give away my data, unless good reasons for its requirement are given. I just feel this a sensible approach, not to be anonymous or anything, but to just have as much control over it as possible. In fact I've found that less data has been requested as time has gone on, maybe it's too risky/expensive with GDPR to protect the data. Who knows?
Bonus points: Also don't have social media accounts. The tin foil hat I made in 2017 gave me long enough to realise FB, WhatsApp, Insta, Twitter etc were not really something I needed to share my life with.
I am a PIA and will always ask "why?" if extra info is requested. Now I have my COVID microchip embedded in my arm though, I'm not sure much use this approach will be. Tin foil sleeves are uncomfortable
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Because some races are more likely to be at risk of certain health conditions- sickle cell anaemia, for example.
Edit- sorry, I dodn't see this was an old post...
It's to make sure that everyone is getting access to the services offered, it's an equality thing.
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More important is the opt out for NHS monetisation of health records.
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Why bump a 5 year old thread? You come across as having a huge chip on your shoulder.
As people said in beginning of this thread, one of those who wont give info to your GP, yet if you encountered a major health crisis you would expect them to know everything about you. Its not a barbers, its a GP.
As people said in beginning of this thread, one of those who wont give info to your GP, yet if you encountered a major health crisis you would expect them to know everything about you. Its not a barbers, its a GP.
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Can I suggest your first use of the GPs facilities is an appointment with a phycologist. I believe you are showing early signs of moronicconspiracynut.
I bumped it because I answered my own question. A question hardly anyone in the thread understood, through lack of comprehension, and provided me answers to another question I did not ask. You've again done that in your reply, thank you
(so you know I'll be fine in a major health care crisis, I've checked that my GP has this, they do - however, as SGF mentioned earlier these notes are not always made available immediately if at hospital during a major health care crisis - this may have changed in 5 years)A GP practice created form requesting additional information about my lifestyle was NOT required to register at a GP. It was an arbitrary barrier put in place that may help with targeting me with additional care/help/information, but still one I should have had the choice not to provide.
A GP practice is not the NHS. They have limited resources for data security, that was one of the main reasons I didn't want to give it over, they didn't fill me with confidence it would be handled properly; there's a big difference to data being stored on a (hopefully) more secure NHS database as opposed to an Excel spreadsheet on Sally the receptionist's laptop.
When you give information over, always question (if not directly, internally at least) why it's needed, where it's stored, who has access to it and what it will be used for.
Indeed, especially the confidential part. However, they also should be open and honest with their patients about what, where, why, how they use the data. That's the right of the person providing the data, and if it isn't required, or satisfy those questions? Allow the person to proceed without providing it as I found out at my new practice, likely because GDPR is now enforceable whereas it wasn't when I made the OP.
And another one...
I give information about me willingly, where and when it's required, and I am confident enough it won't be misused. No wonder phishing is so rampant if people do not ask these questions.
I've shared this information with my dentist because they actually stated why it's needed, how it will be used and give me confidence it will be handled correctly.
I'll put a note here at the end of this post to once again outline what this thread was about:
Questioning data security being a barrier to healthcare.
What this thread was not about, but everyone made it about:
Health records.
At the time (2017) I was denied registration at a GP unless I provided extra data about myself without knowing the below (in bold) was being enforced:
Data Protection Act 2018
The Data Protection Act
The Data Protection Act 2018 controls how your personal information is used by organisations, businesses or the government.The Data Protection Act 2018 is the UK’s implementation of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR).
Everyone responsible for using personal data has to follow strict rules called ‘data protection principles’. They must make sure the information is:
- used fairly, lawfully and transparently
- used for specified, explicit purposes
- used in a way that is adequate, relevant and limited to only what is necessary
- accurate and, where necessary, kept up to date
- kept for no longer than is necessary
- handled in a way that ensures appropriate security, including protection against unlawful or unauthorised processing, access, loss, destruction or damage
- race
- ethnic background
- political opinions
- religious beliefs
- trade union membership
- genetics
- biometrics (where used for identification)
- health
- sex life or orientation
Your rights
Under the Data Protection Act 2018, you have the right to find out what information the government and other organisations store about you. These include the right to:- be informed about how your data is being used
- access personal data
- have incorrect data updated
- have data erased
- stop or restrict the processing of your data
- data portability (allowing you to get and reuse your data for different services)
- object to how your data is processed in certain circumstances
- automated decision-making processes (without human involvement)
- profiling, for example to predict your behaviour or interests
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You're not a troll mate, something has obviously made you feel this way. Just in general people don't have issues with places like a Doctors surgery so it's a little bit unusual is all. Like you said, you haven't given us your reasons yet so we don't know the full picture.
EDIT: wow, just realised this is a mega old thread lol. The new layout threw me!
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Yea guys. Thread from 2017. Not that anyone read the initial question/point correctly any way
Just wanted to update that it wasn't required when I signed up at a new practice.
Good stuff and please make sure you keep us updated on the procedure in 2027.
If you admit to being an alcoholic/drug addict for example though, can't your medical records be subpoenaed to be used against you in court?
Just doesn't seem like it's in the patients interest to provide information until they present with an actual health issue in that case.
Fair point. Also a future employer can ask to see medical records in some instances.
Interesting case I've just come across here.
Medical records not as private as they may first appear under human rights law - UK Human Rights Blog
General Dental Council v Rimmer [2010] EWHC 1049 (Admin) (15 April 2010) – Read judgment A dentist has been ordered to hand over his patients’ medical records to a court in order to help his regulator prosecute him for misconduct. The case raises interesting questions of when the courts can...
ukhumanrightsblog.com
In any case, we are forced to pay for the NHS under the threat of prison so it's pretty disgusting that a GP practice is allowed to refuse to treat patients on the basis they refuse to answer some lifestyle questions. Can you imagine an A&E doctor refusing to treat a dying patient because they refused to say whether they smoke or not? Absolutely bonkers.
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You generally have a bit of a choice about which GP you go with, when you go to A&E time is of the essence and you often don't have a choice.Interesting case I've just come across here.
Medical records not as private as they may first appear under human rights law - UK Human Rights Blog
General Dental Council v Rimmer [2010] EWHC 1049 (Admin) (15 April 2010) – Read judgment A dentist has been ordered to hand over his patients’ medical records to a court in order to help his regulator prosecute him for misconduct. The case raises interesting questions of when the courts can...
In any case, we are forced to pay for the NHS under the threat of prison so it's pretty disgusting that a GP practice is allowed to refuse to treat patients on the basis they refuse to answer some lifestyle questions. Can you imagine an A&E doctor refusing to treat a dying patient because they refused to say whether they smoke or not? Absolutely bonkers.
Mind you that also works the other way round, you might be able to choose your GP, you tend not to be able to choose who sees to you in A&E.
I wish I did, literally every GP practice in my city has been amalgamated into one, so now they all suffer the same level of crap service.
