Just put my name down for one of these:-

JediFragger said:
**** me Gibbo that must have taken u ages to type :D

If I go Porsche its just gotta be a GT2/GT3 ;)
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You've seen me type! ;)

Half asleep m8 and it only took me 30 minutes.

I like the GT2/GT3 but for myself I could not live with daily as they are just too stripped out as they are really track cars. I'd preferre a C4S, its wider and still a great car but one that is a real nice place to be in. :)
 
dont get the wrong impression gibbo, each to their own im not knocking anyone or trying to imply somones is better than anothers, thats not my style, I was trying to educate usable power, thats all.

2 of my friends have GT2's and several have GT3's, they are great cars and all of them use them as daily drivers, mines a bit of a lemon really with a few tweaks.
 
nicRob said:
Would that be the "no need to worry about that, the rollers will tell all the truth, I made a drunken mistake when listing the car on ph, its a std C2 with no mods at all, nothing, there you go record is straight now. " Gemballa?
Shown as a standard C2 in PH profile..
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good point, for the record it "might" have been a joke? you know as it was in the RR day for TVR V's pork thread?

I "might" have been egging the TVR guys on? and I also "might" have changed my profile to say STD NO MODS after it just to keep them guessing ?

just a thought.

i quote

Touching Cloth said:
LoL, not the turbo's I was worried about really, it's running against "The Gembella" that puts the fear of God into me...
and then after I changed my profile and said what you quoted about it being std,

Touching Cloth said:
Yeah yeah, don't hussle me pal, I'm like Paul Newman to your Tom Cruise
the problem I had here is TC came to Lemans with us and has driven with us, johnny on here seen TC's green cerb with a few of the other guys 911's including a 993 RSR cup car ;)

cheers all the same.
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Does anyone else love the way Gibbo introduces his posts with "Hi there" :p :D

Car looks awesome, cant say much more than that. Dont think it would have half the presence in black however.
 
Hi There

not wishing to wee on anyones bonfire, i didnt read the post earlier, was just noise, anyways, had my dinner and thought id see what you actually said.

seems there is a few contradicting statements.

Gibbo said:
Hi there

the Mustang is just so much more fun FOR ME to drive,
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contradicts this

Gibbo said:
Though don't get me wrong I still want to own a Porsche but will do it when I grow up a bit and have more like 40k-50k to spend on one and then I think it will be a C4S as I know how well they drive,
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the C2 is not only quicker but also more fun to drive and faster round corners in the right hands .. .. .. .. .. so your either contradicting yourself to gain friendship or cant drive. . . . . . . C2 also feels quicker? have you actually drove one for speculative comparrison?

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I do know a Corvette C6 or Z06 would easily rival a Porsche as its not only been proven so many times by the press but I've been in a Corvette going round Donnington in the dry and wet. Guess what car after several gruelling laps had to yield to the older C5 Corvette due to holding us up?..... yep it was a Porsche GT2 and I tell you now the driver was not best pleased, he could not believe it an American car lapping quicker than his Porsche.
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but by the sounds of things he also couldnt drive, mabe get one of these corvettes to one of the many track days that we go to and ill arrange somone who can drive to run circles round any C6 (and not a pro driver, jus some guy I know down the road who can handle his GT2 and not a city type who bought it cos they cost more than a turbo)

I know you mention the corvette thing cos you know the 911 is the car you want (im not trying to have a dig, its apparent by your previous comments) but why mention another car? this is like me saying my mate with the carrera GT, you know, that one day ill be buying from him, well that would destroy any corvette or mustang.. .. .. its just not relevant.

check Evo mag for comparrison on the C4 -C2 thing

from memory a std C2 is 0-60 in 4.2 secs, a C4 is 5.1.

0-130 for a C2 is 17 secs, a C4 is somthing like 24 secs . . . . . .

I think youve only experienced the wrong car gibbo, I do hope it wasnt a tip aswell!!!!!
 
Cassius Clarke said:
Hi There

not wishing to wee on anyones bonfire, i didnt read the post earlier, was just noise, anyways, had my dinner and thought id see what you actually said.

seems there is a few contradicting statements.



contradicts this



the C2 is not only quicker but also more fun to drive and faster round corners in the right hands .. .. .. .. .. so your either contradicting yourself to gain friendship or cant drive. . . . . . . C2 also feels quicker? have you actually drove one for speculative comparrison?



but by the sounds of things he also couldnt drive, mabe get one of these corvettes to one of the many track days that we go to and ill arrange somone who can drive to run circles round any C6 (and not a pro driver, jus some guy I know down the road who can handle his GT2 and not a city type who bought it cos they cost more than a turbo)

I know you mention the corvette thing cos you know the 911 is the car you want (im not trying to have a dig, its apparent by your previous comments) but why mention another car? this is like me saying my mate with the carrera GT, you know, that one day ill be buying from him, well that would destroy any corvette or mustang.. .. .. its just not relevant.

check Evo mag for comparrison on the C4 -C2 thing

from memory a std C2 is 0-60 in 4.2 secs, a C4 is 5.1.

0-130 for a C2 is 17 secs, a C4 is somthing like 24 secs . . . . . .

I think youve only experienced the wrong car gibbo, I do hope it wasnt a tip aswell!!!!!
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Yup I know the C2 is the more fun car to drive and maybe a tad quicker. I like the C4S due to the flared body arches it just a lot more appealing to the eye. Do they do a C2S? If so then win win win!! Though at the moment I am more into my American muscle cars maybe as I mature more with age I might end up in a Porsche then or might just stick with the Yank jobs. :D

Though EVO/Porsche had this to say about the C4S:-
According to Porsche, the extra grip and stronger braking of the C4S give it a Nurburgring lap time of 8min 16sec, or four seconds quicker than the Carrera 2. The suggestion is that the Turbo-look isn't just for show and makes the C4S a better proposition for track days, which makes sense, I guess.

Been in both the C2 and C4 both were quick but not neck snappingly quick, a very smooth linear power delivery that seems to really come on track past 100mph.

You say the guy in the GT2 could not drive, well no offence to the guy driving the corvette but he was disabled as it was an automatic so he is no Schumacher and was able to take down the Porsche GT2, thats how good the Corvette really is you don't have to be Schumacher to get good lap times out of it due to its amazing active handling system that works. But saying that same Corvette throughout the day was the quickest thing on the track, EVO's, Subarus and other hot hatches were all falling victim to an American muscle car with an AUTO box and even in wet conditions.
You say put an expert driver in, well fine but same can be said for the Corvette just stick a pro in and Corvette is gonna be as quick if not quicker than the Porsche, either way there will be little in it.

If I wanted a 911 right now I'd buy one but the plain and simple fact I like lots of cars. If I had unlimited money I'd have a huge garage that would contain Porsches, Corvettes, Vipers, Mustangs, BMW's, Ferraris etc. etc. At the moment the car I want is the Mustang and I would not get rid of it for a Porsche what I am saying is that in the possible future I may find my way into a Porsche if I get bored with American Muscle cars but at the moment I am not bored one bit so if the Porsche does happen it won't be for many years yet as there are many other cars in front of the Porsche on my list.

I mentioned other cars because you spoke of usable power, well the Corvette Z06 has 510BHP and it seems to make damn good use of it. Another example is Merlins Integra DC5 its got 260ish BHP going through the front wheels and he can certainly make use of all his power through a corner.....

I have seen nowhere quote the C2 as been so much quicker than the C4. In fact all reviews seem to post more or less exact same figures. Also the C2/C4 have been placed side by side on several shows doing 1/4 and lap times and they are like identical. Yes the C2 does weigh less and gets more power to the tarmec but the 4WD gives more grip and propels the car better. I agree the C2 is faster but not by that much, if anything maybe by 1 second maximum upto 100mph. The figures I have seen from several sites and magazines if the C2 can gallop to 60mph in 4.8s and the C4 can do it in 5s with the C4 been easier to manage on a regular basis down to 4WD.

No I'd never bother with a tiptronic as in the Porsche it just slows the car down plain and simple. BMW and VW have got awsome SMG/DSG boxes but the tiptronic setups on the 996 Porsche are just poooo.

Here is a link to EVO's reviews for the Porsches, nowhere do they mention 0-60 as low as 4.2s for the C2. Think your smoking some dodgy pipe there my friend and they also state that the C4 models do seem to be putting slightly better lap times in, must be the better corner exit speeds from 4WD:-
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/archive/6/
 
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ok you got me there, of course they do and quoting evo's 997 C4S against the 996 C2 3.6 (non sport model) will show closer figs, do your home work, im not here just to look pretty ;)

if you do some research you might find some interesting results from the std 3.4 C2 ;) might look like a mistake on autocar and in the back of the evo mag aswell as all the other publications i have seen but I assure you (as a tip if your thinking of buying one) the 3.4's where a lot faster than the 3.6 in std form ;) and if you want one of those you will pick up a 50k mile one for about 22k at the moment with OPC warranty (manufacturers warranty so no need to worry)

for the record mines 3.8 based on the 3.6 in std form, as I said earlier, a bit of a lemon.

if we are going to talk numbers, which we all know is cobblers try here

"The bald figures read 60mph in 4.6sec, 100mph in 10.5sec and a standing quarter-mile of 13.0sec dead at 112mph"

http://www.autocar.co.uk/RoadTest_Summary.asp?RT=200086

this was the first site I saw, im sure the back of evo says 4.2 secs to 60.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13418666,00.html < this might also interest when quoting JC top gear (who have now got sick of telling the world the 911 is great and decided to take the mick out of it since its far superior) ;)

also for the ring times I found this

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-32546/nbring/laptimes for different cars.htm

the GT2 is almost a whole min quicker than your corvette and the std C2 is over half a min faster .. .. .. as I said, you got me there :eek:
 
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Cassius Clarke said:
lesson two in the OCuK official usable power tutorial, nope its not, goes well fast too but on corners suffers from major understeer.

im yet to see a FWD car over 250bhp to be "usable" through corners without cornering difficulties.
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Im yet to see at driver sat at the point of peak power and at full throttle in a corner to actually have 250bhp.

Thinking of real life and what Ive drove its not too bad at all. Forget this see rubbish, too much of the driver effects how capable a car is.
 
The_Dark_Side said:
it might be just me but what i've found is a lot of members regurgitating the opinions of the more experienced/technical members (Dogbreath,Simon,Lopez and a few dozen more i could name), without actually knowing why that opinion exists.
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Totally agree mate, Im amazed at how many forums that occurs on. Its even got to the point the regurgitators are being regurgitated :D
 



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Tdh1987 said:
I hate American muscle cars with a passion, but that looks stunning!

Will it handle like an American car?
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German platform underneath ;) Merc control arm front end, Merc 5 link rear end, shorter wheelbase than the current Charger. It won't exactly be a BMW M5 handling-wise, but it won't fall off the road as soon as it needs to change direction.
 
Tdh1987 said:
I hate American muscle cars with a passion, but that looks stunning!

Will it handle like an American car?
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Hi there

Well how do American cars handle?

Big thanks to Acidhell2 for posting this info. I shall give Dodge a call Monday to make sure my name is firmly at the top of that list but I may also call Dodge USA and import the car myself, as that way a lot of money to be saved.

So as you have managed to get some nice leaked images, any chance you know anything more about the car m8? Is the rumoured 1800kg still true? Also am glad to see it looks like they are going with the concept look for production, I certainly think its the best looking modern American muscle car to date yet. Plus if the suggest price is correct if I import one of these myself including VAT, Duty and shipping it will still cost sub 20k with the current dollar rate. :D Also lastly do you have any more confirmed specifications m8?
 
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