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[TW]Fox · 7 Feb 2006 at 15:29

mrk1@1 said:
Not everyone wants the running costs of a volvo and a depreciation of a Ford, and in summary that is the Focus ST.

That's complete rubbish, you reckon it has 'the running costs of a Volvo'? Only in terms of fuel economy, perhaps.

Despite what is predicted atm, it isn't an RS and so depreciation will be reasonably typical with Ford STs

Yes, and look at typical ST depreciation. Compare a Mondeo ST200 with a same age Mondeo Ghia, compare a Focus ST170 with a Focus Ghia of the same age, compare a Mondeo ST220 with a Mondeo Ghia of the same age - ST's hold their value considerably better than regular Fords and, IMHO, better than Fords with Mazda badges on.

thepharcyde · 7 Feb 2006 at 15:32

as a summary, its a nice car, has good road presence, received good reviews and is not as common as a Focus, gets my thumbs up, just not at that price.

[TW]Fox · 7 Feb 2006 at 15:34

Oh exactly, not knocking the 3 at all, its a great car, thats just a heck of a lot of cash for a car of that type.

merlin · 7 Feb 2006 at 15:36

[TW]Fox said:
ST's hold their value considerably better than regular Fords and, IMHO, better than Fords with Mazda badges on.

Time will tell.

Unless Ford closed the Mazda plant, sacked all the people and changed all the component suppliers when they bought a cut - I's say Mazda's are still Mazda's.

ramirez · 7 Feb 2006 at 15:38

is the RX-8 100% Mazda or has it got Ford bits too?

[TW]Fox · 7 Feb 2006 at 15:38

Even when they have Ford engines, Ford floorpans, Ford switchgear etc?

Pug · 7 Feb 2006 at 16:11

[TW]Fox said:
thats just a heck of a lot of cash for a car of that type.

not if he wanted a 3 it isnt.

Its the price they are.

benneh · 7 Feb 2006 at 16:26

Jesus, 15 is more than i would be likely to spend on a mazda 3.. But hey, all down to the beholder i suppose.

Scrutinize · 7 Feb 2006 at 16:34

[TW]Fox said:
That's complete rubbish, you reckon it has 'the running costs of a Volvo'? Only in terms of fuel economy, perhaps.

Yes, and look at typical ST depreciation. Compare a Mondeo ST200 with a same age Mondeo Ghia, compare a Focus ST170 with a Focus Ghia of the same age, compare a Mondeo ST220 with a Mondeo Ghia of the same age - ST's hold their value considerably better than regular Fords and, IMHO, better than Fords with Mazda badges on.

A bit better but only on the ford forecourts most of the time and the fact they cost a considerable amount more to begin with. If you have a look at Glasses Bottom-Mid book for typical auction and PX values to the trade then they arn't that great. The sale price to the customer is highly inflated

v0n · 7 Feb 2006 at 16:55

I know it won't make you feel any better but dealers all over the country sell 2.0 Sport for £13,995 on 0% finance. It can be knocked by at least £500 in south east too for pre-registered 55 plates.

MrMoon · 7 Feb 2006 at 17:46

[TW]Fox said:
Just seems like a ridiculous amount of money considering quite a few places are prepared to sell you a Focus ST for that - fundamentally the same car but with better projected residuals and better performance.

cos i cant fit the kids in a focus ST or focus ASBO

MrMoon · 7 Feb 2006 at 17:48

v0n said:
I know it won't make you feel any better but dealers all over the country sell 2.0 Sport for £13,995 on 0% finance. It can be knocked by at least £500 in south east too for pre-registered 55 plates.

but i bet for £13995 you dont get the £2ks worth of satnav and leather seats but for £15k you do, its a sweet car and its not as common as the boring focus so im happy

[TW]Fox · 7 Feb 2006 at 17:57

Hmmm the 'not so common' thing again, do you really think that when driving anyone is going to look twice it and say 'omfg a Mazda3'?

MrMoon · 7 Feb 2006 at 18:00

[TW]Fox said:
Hmmm the 'not so common' thing again, do you really think that when driving anyone is going to look twice it and say 'omfg a Mazda3'?

no but its just different from just another ford and its interior is a lot higher spec than the focus not too much plastically looking, plus is has xenon headlams LED rears, 17" alloys, climate control, auto lights and wipers and 6cd Bose sound system, pretty good for the money if you ask me

Replicant · 7 Feb 2006 at 18:17

You'll lose £5K on it in 12 months depreciation reagrdless of how many miles you do

PardonTheWait · 7 Feb 2006 at 18:27

[TW]Fox said:
Hmmm the 'not so common' thing again, do you really think that when driving anyone is going to look twice it and say 'omfg a Mazda3'?

Seriously dude, get a grip. Untwist your knickers. Fords are dull. BMWs are dull. The Mazda may not be a world beating car, but it's a nice car, and not everyone wants a Ford or a BMW.

Hard to believe I know, but not everyone is you, and not everyone thinks a 22 year old student is the authority on cars. The way you talk's like you know it all and everyone should listen... The matter of personal taste comes into things, and it's something you've never seemed to be able to comprehend.

The Mazda 3 sport is prettier than a Focus by miles, and every other driveway down many roads around here has a focus of some description on it..

My mum's got a 3 sport, I like it. Lot of money, but they're nice and fairly uncommon.

Replicant · 7 Feb 2006 at 18:31

he's 22

PardonTheWait · 7 Feb 2006 at 18:33

Replicant said:
he's 22

I shall edit in view of this

[TW]Fox · 7 Feb 2006 at 18:38

Mohinder said:
Seriously dude, get a grip. Untwist your knickers. Fords are dull. BMWs are dull. The Mazda may not be a world beating car, but it's a nice car, and not everyone wants a Ford or a BMW.

I've not even recommended or suggested a BMW. Stop seeing things which are not there becuase it suits your 'arguement'.

Hard to believe I know, but not everyone is you

Really? Well thanks for that, damn, I had no idea, I thought everyone on the forum was an exact replica of myself :rolleyes:

and not everyone thinks a 22 year old student is the authority on cars.

Nope and guess what, neither does the 22 year old student. I've never claimed anything like that - you appear to have a perception problem if you think that.

The way you talk's like you know it all and everyone should listen...

No, I give my opinion. Nothing less, nothing more. Anyone is free to discard it, completely ignore it, argue against it, agree with it, or tell me it's stupid. It's how forums tend to work.

The matter of personal taste comes into things, and it's something you've never seemed to be able to comprehend.

God I am soooo bored trying to tell people this is complete and utter rot that I can't be bothered to do it again, what next, you're going to suggest I only ever look for 'value for money'? Somebody tried that last time they had a 'OMG HE HAS.. AN OPINION THATS DIFFERENT TO MINE? HE IS SCUM' rant but they went quiet when I pointed out that BMW's are exceptionally poor value for money.

The Mazda 3 sport is prettier than a Focus by miles, and every other driveway down many roads around here has a focus of some description on it..

That Mazda3 is a reasonable looking, mass market, mass produced mid sized hatchback. It is not a supercar, it is not an Aston Martin, it will not win design awards, single women will not want to have your children if you park up in a Mazda3 when they'd spit on you if you did the same in a Focus. The cars in this market merely blend in.

FWIW I would have posted more or less exactly the same thing had this thread been announcing he'd just bought a Focus 2.0 Zetec for £15k as well, so it's hardly OMFG PRO FORD. I'm so sick of people thinking I'm some sort of a Ford fanboy, I dislike the majority of their product range.

My mum's got a 3 sport, I like it. Lot of money, but they're nice and fairly uncommon.

Ah, so now I see where the rant came from, you feel you need to justify your Mums decision or something. Fair enough.

PardonTheWait · 7 Feb 2006 at 18:47

[TW]Fox said:
over-defensive borderline tantrum

No ranting was involved. If I'd ranted there would be lots of ****'s and random words CAPITALISED, because that's how I get when I rant.

I'm merely pointing out that some people buy a car with things other than depreciation, what kind of floorpan it's got, and complete adherence to common sense in mind. Some people just buy stuff because they like it.

It always seems to me in threads like these that you're one of the first, usually the first, to rain on someone's parade and hint at them/tell them they've made a horrible choice.

It seems that you almost always manage to narrow every choice of car down to some sort of Ford or BMW or Citroen, or tell nearly anyone they should have bought some sort of Ford, BMW, or Citroen.

The cars you've owned are a Ford, a citroen, and you often (from what I gather) drive your dad's BMW...

Seems a little skewed, that's all.

Also, my "rant" as you put it has nothing to do with my mum's choice of car. My mum's had some bloody awful cars, some nice ones, and some middling ones. I couldn't care less what she drives tbh, she picked it because she thought it was pretty.

I just personally much prefer the 3 sport to any variety of Focii. Focii are.. well, they're everywhere. Literally. I don't like that in a car.