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Just watched Linus's performance results of the 5000 series

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rn2 said:
The 5900x isn't worth the extra money for the extra cores/threads for gaming but the 5800x is better for longevity over the 5600x.
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Well, you could argue the 5800x isn't worth the very large cost difference over what will equate to a few percent in games over a 5600x.

You could argue, for what isnt much more money the 5900x is worth it if you ever need to do anything that utilises the cores.

Tit for tat is seems the 5900x/5800x are about on par for gaming looking at the benchmarks so far.

Just playing devils advocate.
 
Minstadave said:
If its like Zen 2 the dual chiplet designs have one stronger chiplet and one weaker one. The weaker chiplet can be pretty underwhelming in terms of clocks achievable. Its a neat way to parcel off average silicon at a premium price point.

With the 3800X being a single chiplet you're likely to have decent silicon quality and the befits of a single ccd design.

I'm almost tempted to go from my 3900X to the 5800X because the 5800X looks very strong in gaming.
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That's unlikely, even 3950x used best chiplets to be able to boost higher and at same time consume lower power.
In previous generation 3800x was of lesser quality than even 3700x (thats why 3700x as almost as good as 3800x with just 65W).

Another thing is, having unbalanced chiplets quality would make nightmare if not impossible to balance voltage and power diferently for each chiplet.

Thing that CPU can be as good as its worst core apply for multiple chiplets as well.
 
xrodney said:
That's unlikely, even 3950x used best chiplets to be able to boost higher and at same time consume lower power.
In previous generation 3800x was of lesser quality than even 3700x (thats why 3700x as almost as good as 3800x with just 65W).

Another thing is, having unbalanced chiplets quality would make nightmare if not impossible to balance voltage and power diferently for each chiplet.

Thing that CPU can be as good as its worst core apply for multiple chiplets as well.
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The 3900X and 3950X definitely had different quality chiplets. It's widely reported. As soon as people started clocking individual CCDs this became obvious. Have a look at the Ryzen Clock Tuner thread for instance. That tool goes beyond AMDs own tuning and demonstrates the difference in CCDs well.

Both Windows and the BIOS are designed around individual cores characteristics, boosting specific cores higher and using the best quality cores for single threaded loads preferentially. It’s done at core level, not chiplet. You can do this manually too if you want. There's nothing impossible about it.

CPUs don't perform at the level of their weakest core at all anymore.
 
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Minstadave said:
The 3900X and 3950X definitely had different quality chiplets. It's widely reported. As soon as people started clocking individual CCDs this became obvious. Have a look at the Ryzen Clock Tuner thread for instance. That tool goes beyond AMDs own tuning and demonstrates the difference in CCDs well.

Both Windows and the BIOS are designed around individual cores characteristics, boosting specific cores higher and using the best quality cores for single threaded loads preferentially. It’s done at core level, not chiplet. You can do this manually too if you want. There's nothing impossible about it.

CPUs don't just perform as good as their weakest core at all anymore.
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Thanks for mentioning that, I was wondering about how Ryzen Tuner fit with their claims.
 
There's maybe also a small benefit from having 8 cores on one chiplet so you dont get cross chiplet latency, but bumping up to a dual chiplet also doubles up internal cache so it's probably mostly a wash. You might as well pony up the extra $100 for twice the cache and 50% extra cores from 5800x to 5900x and lose 1-2 fps of gaming performance IMO.

The 3800x needs to be at $350-400 to make any kind of sense and that would mean pushing the 3600x down (I also feel this part is overpriced)
 
kohlditz said:
There's maybe also a small benefit from having 8 cores on one chiplet so you dont get cross chiplet latency, but bumping up to a dual chiplet also doubles up internal cache so it's probably mostly a wash. You might as well pony up the extra $100 for twice the cache and 50% extra cores from 5800x to 5900x and lose 1-2 fps of gaming performance IMO.

The 3800x needs to be at $350-400 to make any kind of sense and that would mean pushing the 3600x down (I also feel this part is overpriced)
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Interesting but there's no point for gaming. I've personally made up my mind now anyway.
 
rn2 said:
Interesting but there's no point for gaming. I've personally made up my mind now anyway.
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No I agree with your choice I went 5800x also.

I made my decision before any of the reviews based on what I could find out before hand, I did as much research as I could and I must admit I did get a bit of a sinking feeling that maybe I should have gone 5900x, but now the benchmarks are out I think I made the right decision for me, I basically do nothing on my PC other than gaming, so for my needs the 5800x seems to fit the best.

OK, its terrible value for money when compared to the 5900x and 5600x but for pure gaming without factoring in the price, I think its the right choice, for me anyway.
 
Yeh I've put my fingers in the ears regarding the 5800x getting some less favourable reviews as I've ordered one myself!
Is it worth the extra money over the 5600x for pure gaming? Probably not. But neither is the 5900x or 5950x!
Is it priced a bit too close to the 5900x if you want to do production workloads, yeah probably... But if that £100+ saving then gets spent on other hardware in the machine and works for your budget, why not.

At the end of the day, that £100+ I've saved has all but covered the cost of the 32GB set of RAM I've ordered. Benchmarks show the 5800x holds a really high all-core boost clock, and I wanted extra cores over the 2600 I have now! :D
 
PinkFloyd said:
Yeh I've put my fingers in the ears regarding the 5800x getting some less favourable reviews as I've ordered one myself!
Is it worth the extra money over the 5600x for pure gaming? Probably not. But neither is the 5900x or 5950x!
Is it priced a bit too close to the 5900x if you want to do production workloads, yeah probably... But if that £100+ saving then gets spent on other hardware in the machine and works for your budget, why not.

At the end of the day, that £100+ I've saved has all but covered the cost of the 32GB set of RAM I've ordered. Benchmarks show the 5800x holds a really high all-core boost clock, and I wanted extra cores over the 2600 I have now! :D
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Agreed.

I think gamersnexus slagging off (let's be honest he was pretty bluntly negative about it) was purely from an overall and objective point of view, I dont necessarily disagree, but if your focus is purely gaming and you do t mind the pricing it's looking good for gaming.

Am I also out of place saying, maybe???? some of the negative comments are from people getting 5900x who are just a little buthurt that benchmarks show the 5800x beating it in quite a few of the games titles?
 
If the 5800x is only marginally faster than the 5600x then today's games obviously aren't utilising all 8 cores.

So the 5800x is good if you're planning to keep it 4 or 5 years, when games use more cores.

Or go for the 5600x if you're planning to sell it when the 6000 series comes out.
 
It was obvious from the AMD announcement that the 5800X was the worst value and they are trying to upsell. But as with comments above, if I upgrade to this gen it'll probably be the 5800x as I don't upgrade CPUs often (4770k here which is mostly serving me ok for some gaming & lightroom).
Just hoping for a price drop, or perhaps an elusive 5700x before I end up buying.
 
Hardware unboxed just reviewed the part also. Intel at that price point is still absolutely competitive. 5800x is a great chip but the pricing is all kinds of messed up. AMD don't want to sell CPU's that have chiplets binned well enough to do 8 cores clearly.
 
Well presuming Linus actually spends more time testing then advertising his merchandise store in his videos.
 
As it stands, I think the 6 core 5600x and the 12 core 5900x are the sweet spots in this release. For gaming there really isn't much difference across the stack so if that's all you care about then pick the cheapest part. For light productivity i'd suggest 5900x; the 5950x is not better enough to demand the price increase IMO; if you really need the extra cores then a HEDT platform makes more sense at this price point. I'm sure the 5600 non X will come out soon enough and target the $200 price point, as a gamer i'd wait for that and then overclock it. If you really need the threads then the last gen 3900 offers all kinds of value atm.
 
JGBR said:
Well presuming Linus actually spends more time testing then advertising his merchandise store in his videos.
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You shouldn't be watching Linus for this stuff, Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus are much better for detail. I'd err to upside down Steve for being methodical.
 
kohlditz said:
Hardware unboxed just reviewed the part also. Intel at that price point is still absolutely competitive. 5800x is a great chip but the pricing is all kinds of messed up. AMD don't want to sell CPU's that have chiplets binned well enough to do 8 cores clearly.
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Doesn't sound too far fetched.

Clearly there's no room to sell imperfect chiplets in certain core counts so anything only using multiples of perfect ones would attract a premium tax.
 
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