The sort of leadership that makes people think £1100 is ok for an ##80 class card, £800 for a ##70 class card? That sort of leadership?
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Just what is NVIDIA up to?
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The sort of leadership that makes people think £1100 is ok for an ##80 class card, £800 for a ##70 class card? That sort of leadership?
They were a great manufacturer. What happened to them?
Don't be facetious
Nvidia are scumbags but that doesn't make AMD saints - AMD's performance numbers for RDNA3 were complete fabrications and they had to hide their power-efficiency figures in shame when they realised Ada was actually more efficient than RDNA3.They debuted the 7000-series with big promises for FSR3 which, to this day still haven't been realised, and they launched both 7900XTX and XT at prices that were ridiculously out of touch for what they were delivering - it's the general apathy towards these products that have driven the prices down - not AMD choosing to be magnanimous.
WTF are you talking about? You said AMD need to charge 20 to 30% less than what Nvidia are charging, they are doing that, so can we agree AMD are doing enough or not?Don't be facetious
They debuted the 7000-series with big promises for FSR3 which, to this day still haven't been realised, and they launched both 7900XTX and XT at prices that were ridiculously out of touch for what they were delivering - it's the general apathy towards these products that have driven the prices down - not AMD choosing to be magnanimous.
Do you still think 20 to 30% or is that just for equal raster? now you're talking about RT and DLSS, is that a value also added on top of the Nvidia brand? If so how much?
Probably like the rest of them back in the day, lost touch with the market and couldn't compete either with design or price and slowly went silent or under the radar. I see a few have made a comeback like Antec with a new case design which is refreshing.
Shame. Their PSUs were very good iirc.
I said AMD need to have feature/performance parity *and* charge 20-30% less.
If they continue to lag behind in features (FSR) and performance (RT) then they'll have to accept that the only way to gain market share is to offer substantially cheaper products (knowing that the segment of the market that wants DLSS-like upscaling and faster RT won't even consider AMD).
Let's look at another example - Intel entered the market with GPUs that completely shamed AMD with their RT and upscaling performance - there's a lot of issues with ARC - not least the software support - but if Intel could include competitive RT performance and a superior upscaler to FSR on their first mass-market GPU, why are AMD seemingly incapable of being a serious challenge to Nvidia?
Again, I think it comes down to leadership - and if Intel have got the stomach for it, AMD could well find themselves in third place.
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Releasing a card in my price range would be a start, I've been waiting almost a year for them to get around to releasing a mid-range (£500'ish) 7000 series card.
I've actually been waiting way longer than that and was really close to buying a 6800 XT or 6950 but i tend to hold onto hardware way longer than most so didn't really want to buy something that was already two year old and had only fallen £50-100 from MSRP in that time.
Bit of a side note: I get certain people need the extra/better features on Nvidia cards but speaking personally I'm adverse to using any upscaling tech (maybe I'd use it to get some extra life out of a card but other than that, no thanks). I wouldn't use RT in anything that needs higher frame rates like first and third person shooters so that leaves games where the extra eye candy is nice but has next to no impact on gameplay. And then as I'm trying to transition to Linux and Nvidia drivers kind of suck for that when compared to AMD the choice seems pretty obvious. (As others have said though it's horses for courses so my needs will be different than someone else's and visa versa)
Everyone wants AMD to do all the heavy lifting in our current predicament, but no one can come up with a strategy of how they are supposed to do that, because no one taking responsibility for themselves when they still wouldn't consider AMD even with an 83% premium on Nvidia is absurd, no one can compete in a market where the consumers think in a duopoly the guy with 90% market share's product's are worth 80% more for equivalent performance, that's absurd.
I can't wait for the RTX 5080 to be £1,500 with DLSS 4, 5060Ti 16GB for £800.
I wont be buying it, i have been pretty much nvidia exclusive for the best part of a decade, i didn't buy any of the 30 series junk, i'm not buying any of the 40 series junk, i will be buying either RDNA 2 or RDNA 3, if nowt else i look forward to ditching Nvidia's junk drivers.
I can't wait for the RTX 5080 to be £1,500 with DLSS 4, 5060Ti 16GB for £800.
I wont be buying it, i have been pretty much nvidia exclusive for the best part of a decade, i didn't buy any of the 30 series junk, i'm not buying any of the 40 series junk, i will be buying either RDNA 2 or RDNA 3, if nowt else i look forward to ditching Nvidia's junk drivers.
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Look on the bright side, AMD may never be on par with Nvidia in generating fake frames to make the bar chart go wooosh.......
Now what?
Belter
Meanwhile, in the real world, AMD the undisputed market leader in AAA gaming prefers profit over market share shocker.
But the PS5 pro will be AMD? so why mention it here lol
Why the need to exaggerate?
I just had a look and the there is 18% price difference between 7900xtx and 4080 and 6% difference between 7900xt and 4070ti.
And that's after the recent AMD discounts. AMD cards were way too overpriced at launch and only recently some decent discounts started appearing.
Too little too late can effectively summarize AMD's entire GPU history.
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Belter
Meanwhile, in the real world, AMD the undisputed market leader in AAA gaming prefers profit over market share shocker.
As i said before Nvidia could push AMD out completely in about 6 months flat, If the 40 series was at the price these people want AMD to be they would have to sell their GPU's for about £400 for the 7900XTX and down from there... AMD would lose money on pretty much every card they sold, Nvidia would simply wait for AMD to bow out or go bust, that's what Nvidia did to ATI.
That's what people don't get.
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We're talking about the Radeon division, not consoles/APUs.Belter
Meanwhile, in the real world, AMD the undisputed market leader in AAA gaming prefers profit over market share shocker.
In the real world, if (like AMD) you have an inferior product you have to offer it at a lower price than the competition.
If you have an identical product but lack market/mind share, you have to offer it at a lower price in order to gain market share.
If you have a better product (like Nvidia) well, that tends to sell itself (until the seller gets greedy).
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What's this 83% premium you on about?
Also if 5080 was £1500 with the current trend AMD probably price it's own at £1200-£1300 ?
Even 4080 which is ridiculously hiked from 3080 AMD decided to follow with the increase £200 less right now is the 7900xtx to the 4080 that isn't aggressive enough to gain market share
You said the 7900XTX would have to cost £600, that's 83% less than the 4080.
To add to that PMR created the enviroment where that is even possible, and we still haven't learned.
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What do you mean? These are the price differences between the cheapest models of each series. I mean have a look yourself.