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Just what is NVIDIA up to?

tommybhoy said:
Better RT and software features with less vram, isn't costing about the same, there's a hefty premium incorporating less vram.


A 79XTX with 3 yrs warranty costs 30% less than an equivalent 4080 with 3 yrs warranty.

Factoring Starfield premium into the price, with a sell on value of ~£50 makes the XTX 37% cheaper than a 4080.
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It was about equal to me in price, as a customer, because I needed a new PSU for the 7900xtx while the 4080 runs fine on what I have. It also produces less heat with multimonitor setups, so less power wastes overall.

But if the current offer is like you've mentioned, great, that's the right track for those who are happy with the performance and all.
humbug said:
It feels like these two are in cahoots because they are.

But we created the environment for that to be possible, AMD know they have zero chance to get to 30/40% marketshare
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Continuing to make the same mistakes over and over again surely plays it's role.
 
gjbf1 said:
How do you mean?
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Price fixing in some way, make a card in the price bracket less appealing than the AMD one to ease competitive resistance, or in other words take them selves out of that competitive segment, at least for long enough to give AMD time to fight Intel's challenger off.

4060/Ti series are pretty dreadful right now.....
 
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Calin Banc said:
It was about equal to me in price, as a customer, because I needed a new PSU for the 7900xtx while the 4080 runs fine on what I have. It also produces less heat with multimonitor setups, so less power wastes overall.
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It uses 45 watts more, if you needed a new PSU for the 7900XTX then you also need a new PSU for the 4080.
 
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Calin Banc said:
It was about equal to me in price, as a customer, because I needed a new PSU for the 7900xtx while the 4080 runs fine on what I have. It also produces less heat with multimonitor setups, so less power wastes overall.

But if the current offer is like you've mentioned, great, that's the right track for those who are happy with the performance and all.
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I sent a 4090 back as it wouldn't fit my case, as the 80s are using the same coolers the XTX fits so swings and roundabouts.

Your takeaway should be they are not the same price, again, the XTX is at least 30% cheaper.
 
humbug said:
Price fixing in some way, make a card in the price bracket less appealing than the AMD one to ease competitive resistance, or in other words take them selves out of that competitive segment, at least for long enough to give AMD time to fight Intel's challenger off.

4060/Ti series are pretty dreadful right now.....
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Wouldn't surprise me if they start another investigation into price fixing, hopefully a hefty fine that won't make them easily forget! Cos they obviously haven't learn from their last fine.
 
Also I wouldn't count on intel staying long in the gamer embrace, if they get a sniff into the AI gravy train they will likely adjust course or ditch the arm like they have done so in the past.
 
humbug said:
Price fixing in some way, make a card in the price bracket less appealing than the AMD one to ease competitive resistance, or in other words take them selves out of that competitive segment, at least for long enough to give AMD time to fight Intel's challenger off.

4060/Ti series are pretty dreadful right now.....
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4070 Ti sales are also dreadful compared to 7900 XT. AMD is actually winning the mindshare battle right now due to Nvidia continually gimping VRAM.
 
Johnny Silverhand said:
4070 Ti sales are also dreadful compared to 7900 XT. AMD is actually winning the mindshare battle right now due to Nvidia continually gimping VRAM.
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Yeah, on a side note to that, IMO the 7900 GRE with RX 7800XT branding for a bit over £600 would do very well IMO, under £650 its in that price range where its just about mass market, which of course the 4070Ti isn't, its far too expensive so an equivalent in that range is just what people are looking for.

While ok its not great and all the tech tubers will say its terrible, but its really not and i think people will see all the hyperbole male bovine manure for what it is.

It will sell, and quite well.
 
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gpuerrilla said:
(and people can see the tier lower product being marketed as higher tier for more money).
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I sort of get it with the 7900XT, its a 20GB card with 20Gb/s memory IC's and a 320 Bit Bus, all top end numbers, it was too expensive compared to the 7900XTX, but i do wonder how it would have been received had there been no 7900XTX, if the 7900XT was the best one.

The 4080, 16GB card with a 256Bit Bus, that's mid range stuff, $1200 :eek:
The 4070Ti, 12GB 192 Bit, i mean come on that's lower end stuff.... $900 :cry:
 
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Johnny Silverhand said:
4070 Ti sales are also dreadful compared to 7900 XT. AMD is actually winning the mindshare battle right now due to Nvidia continually gimping VRAM.
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The limited vRAM short upgrade path is backfiring on them, which is good!

humbug said:
I sort of get it with the 7900XT, its a 20GB card with 20Gb/s memory IC's and a 320 Bit Bus, all top end numbers, it was too expensive compared to the 7900XTX, but i do wonder how it would have been received had there been no 7900XTX, if the 7900XT was the best one.

The 4080, 16GB card with a 256Bit Bus, that's mid range stuff, $1200 :eek:
The 4070Ti, 12GB 192 Bit, i mean come on that's lower end stuff.... $900 :cry:
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Agreed, 7900XT is high end, but should have been called 7800XT, which was also high end.
 
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humbug said:
The 4080, 16GB card with a 256Bit Bus, that's mid range stuff, $1200 :eek:
The 4070Ti, 12GB 192 Bit, i mean come on that's lower end stuff.... $900 :cry:
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Its not even stealthlike. They had to increase the price on top of the downgrade, nobody is going to let that slide not even the influencers reviewers nor the fanboys.
 
humbug said:
It uses 45 watts more, if you needed a new PSU for the 7900XTX then you also need a new PSU for the 4080.
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More like 60W and since I'm running on an old 525W Enermax PSU, up to 290-300w is better than 350W-360W. Then adding this on top, less constant high demand and less heat is always better. Or 60Hz gaming with 68w vs 127w. Or multi-monitor where you have 23w vs. 103w. And yes, I have 3 displays... And missing a bit Eyefinity :p

I'm not gonna go into DLSS and power saving for this :) But you know, the straw that broke the camel's back and all that.

If you already have a much stronger PSU is not much of a problem. Just the heat. Right now the thermometer shows 27*C in the room while is night outside, not heatwave. I really don't want extra power thrown around for no good reason.

tommybhoy said:
I sent a 4090 back as it wouldn't fit my case, as the 80s are using the same coolers the XTX fits so swings and roundabouts.

Your takeaway should be they are not the same price, again, the XTX is at least 30% cheaper.
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Yeah, now is different when it comes to prices. At least 30% cheaper can look good especially at those crazy high prices if you're happy with what you get ;)

Back in the day I wanted initially to still keep the SSD cage intact on my CM690II, but from all the models available it was either BBA 7900xt(x) and run the risk of the overheat hotspot "bug" (I don't trust that much in warranty for something like this), or go for something like 4070. Then I've checked how 7900xtx does in something like CB with path tracing, checked the prices of available models and went nvidia.

Would I do different now? I really don't know. 7900xtx hasn't come down in price that much yet from where I buy and considering the power issues (aka needing to much for basic stuff), I wouldn't feel comfortable spending that much on a card and make that many sacrifices (on the 4080 it would be "only" 16GB vRAM vs. 20/24GB).

Anyway, both cards are good. All we need are games that actually come out complete and push things forward :)
 
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humbug said:
It uses 45 watts more, if you needed a new PSU for the 7900XTX then you also need a new PSU for the 4080.
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I think a 750w psu would be fine for either of these providing it’s a good quality unit, I had 2 3080s running on my 750w EVGA psu for 18 months and those were pulling 440w while mining and just over 500w if I was gaming on one of them while the other was mining.

gjbf1 said:
The limited vRAM short upgrade path is backfiring on them, which is good!



Agreed, 7900XT is high end, but should have been called 7800XT, which was also high end.
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I’d argue the 7900XTX is the 7800XT since it’s competing with Nvidia’s 80 card while the 7900XT should be the 7800 since it’s about 10% faster than a 4070ti just like the 6800 was about 10% faster than a 3070ti. As for prices around £750 + £600 are about right for what your’e getting.
 
Joxeon said:
I think a 750w psu would be fine for either of these providing it’s a good quality unit, I had 2 3080s running on my 750w EVGA psu for 18 months and those were pulling 440w while mining and just over 500w if I was gaming on one of them while the other was mining.
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650 watt PSU would be fine too but he's not running a system with a 300 watt GPU in it with a 500 watt PSU.
 
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