Kaby Lake, Zen and ARM Chips to only support Win10

[Doogles]

M$ do seem to be pursuing win10 adoption with an unusual level of aggression, giving it away for free, etc. I guess they feel getting win 10 on pc's is a big step towards taking on their competitors in other spaces, IE: reclaim their crown from Apple. Also, if the subscription rumours are true it could be a huge cash cow for them.

If subscriptions come in then I can see SteamOS and other alternatives being hugely popular with gamers.

 

[SiDeards73]

Subscription based windows is guaranteed, MS are funneling everyone down this path, Office for example, 365 is subs based, we are changing to it on a corporate level soon (currently we use 2016 and Enterprise Win10).

Soon we will be paying our £10 a month for Windows 10 + Office 365, many people will go to other OS's when this happens and many will stay.

 

[DragonQ]

I believe I got two copies of Office 2016 for £20 or something. I also got two copies of Windows 10 for about the same, in addition to a bunch of free licenses for XP, Vista, 7, 8, and 8.1.

I doubt a subscription based model would beat that. Would rather use an open source alternative or Google. If it wasn't for games I doubt I'd be using Windows at all.

 

[pastymuncher]

Subscription based windows is guaranteed, MS are funneling everyone down this path, Office for example, 365 is subs based, we are changing to it on a corporate level soon (currently we use 2016 and Enterprise Win10).

Soon we will be paying our £10 a month for Windows 10 + Office 365, many people will go to other OS's when this happens and many will stay.

That will be the time I stick two fingers up to Microsoft and give up pc gaming. As shown in that article further up, windows is miles ahead of linux when it comes to performance so that isn't even a option until that equalises.

 

[DarkBahamut]

One of the big issues of Win 10 is privacy. By default Win 10's intrusiveness is quite shocking. Now, a lot of that can be circumvented/turned off through settings and using tools like Spybot Anti-Beacon but still the layman may not even know about a lot of this stuff.

I'm not a Microsoft hater BTW, hell i have win 10 on my main desktop here but these decisions seem really iffy to me and not the way things should be.

Bit of a stupid video to be honest. From someone that doesn't really understand what modern software is doing. Does windows 10 have extensive telemetry tracking? Yes, but then so does 90% of the 3rd party software your running too, yet barely anyone says anything about that?

I'd be very surprised if most the software your running isn't tracking how long it's open, how many times you click certain buttons or use certain features, or take stack traces when things go wrong and automatically reporting them, etc. This sort of information is incredibly useful for the developers and they really want to know it. It's up people with the tin foil hats if they think it's 'spying' or not, but people should be realistic at least about how widespread the 'issue' is rather than just pointing a finger at one or two pieces of software.

 

[Burr]

Bit of a stupid video to be honest. From someone that doesn't really understand what modern software is doing. Does windows 10 have extensive telemetry tracking? Yes, but then so does 90% of the 3rd party software your running too, yet barely anyone says anything about that?

I'd be very surprised if most the software your running isn't tracking how long it's open, how many times you click certain buttons or use certain features, or take stack traces when things go wrong and automatically reporting them, etc. This sort of information is incredibly useful for the developers and they really want to know it. It's up people with the tin foil hats if they think it's 'spying' or not, but people should be realistic at least about how widespread the 'issue' is rather than just pointing a finger at one or two pieces of software.

Most if not all 3rd party software is optional. Having an OS really isn't and it really shouldn't be that way in my opinion. But hey what do i know... Guess i'll get the tin foil hat.

 

[Hagar]

It has certainly reduced the piracy of some operating systems IMO. Many people are not migrating because their previously cracked win 7 OS does not upgrade to win 10.

There may be successful implementations of a Win 10 crack but I am not aware of any and we should not of course discuss them if there are.

 

[DarkBahamut]

Most if not all 3rd party software is optional. Having an OS really isn't and it really shouldn't be that way in my opinion. But hey what do i know... Guess i'll get the tin foil hat.

Optional, only in part. How many PC's are running with no 3rd party software at all? I bet you (and many people that complain about W10's telemetry) are running software now that is sending plenty of telemetry back, even if you don't know about it. It just so happens that Windows 10 is an easy target, not that it's particularly any worse than any other software in it's telemetry reporting.

If there's evidence of said telemetry actually being used for something illegal or underhanded then that's certainly a fair point to make, but where is this evidence? "OMG MS know how many pictures I've looked at!!!!!!111111" Yes, and? Them knowing how much the software is being used and how is likely extremely useful information for the development team.

Of course, if someone doesn't like what the OS is doing then they are free to install something else. Linux is available freely of course and is an acceptable desktop experience (I run it myself on a NAS here). Since 3rd party software is totally optional there's no issues at all with going that route

 

[Rroff]

Despite the argument being brought up i.e. "oh but your android phone is spying on you as well" people who are really concerned about privacy in regard to their OS also tend to care about the same for their phone and/or the programs and apps they run. There are people out there with nothing better to do than tear down a program and see how it works and what network connections it makes etc. for instance look at the furore over the potential that es file explorer was communicating back to a Chinese intelligence agency.

Unfortunately for a lot of people stuff like Linux simply isn't a viable alternative so its a bit silly to say oh well you could run Linux instead - people aren't really free to install something else with the dominance Windows has had (and it goes beyond 3rd party software availability).

 

[Burr]

Optional, only in part. How many PC's are running with no 3rd party software at all? I bet you (and many people that complain about W10's telemetry) are running software now that is sending plenty of telemetry back, even if you don't know about it. It just so happens that Windows 10 is an easy target, not that it's particularly any worse than any other software in it's telemetry reporting.

If there's evidence of said telemetry actually being used for something illegal or underhanded then that's certainly a fair point to make, but where is this evidence? "OMG MS know how many pictures I've looked at!!!!!!111111" Yes, and? Them knowing how much the software is being used and how is likely extremely useful information for the development team.

Of course, if someone doesn't like what the OS is doing then they are free to install something else. Linux is available freely of course and is an acceptable desktop experience (I run it myself on a NAS here). Since 3rd party software is totally optional there's no issues at all with going that route

I have. I run an Arch laptop that i'm using right now . I game on windows nothing more. But if you're happy to have your device being run the way the companies want it to run rather than the way you do fair enough have fun.

 

[Bantu]

Linux still has a bit of a chicken and egg problem with regards to gaming specifically. It's been stated before, but there are 2 likely reasons for poor performance vs windows. These are:
- Driver optimisation
- APIs like DirectX and OpenGL working better on windows

I suspect if windows moves to a subscription model (which i don't see as a bad thing tbh...) then we could see renewed interest in Linux. If that is the case then i could see Linux reaching similar performance to windows within 10-15 years.

 

[randal]

zzzzz a click bait article.

What it actually says is that MS doesn't guarantee new CPUs will be able to fully run the ancient windows...... while Intel & AMD are stating there they aren't going to release drivers for W7/8/8.1 or even the ancient XP.

Nothing new tbh. Move along. Anyone who worth his salt and wants to cry about, should switch to Linux....

Spot on.

 

[Burr]

Linux still has a bit of a chicken and egg problem with regards to gaming specifically. It's been stated before, but there are 2 likely reasons for poor performance vs windows. These are:
- Driver optimisation
- APIs like DirectX and OpenGL working better on windows

I suspect if windows moves to a subscription model (which i don't see as a bad thing tbh...) then we could see renewed interest in Linux. If that is the case then i could see Linux reaching similar performance to windows within 10-15 years.

Yes most of this i agree with. The thing is all of the issues right now are avoidable on Microsoft's part.

 

[meldarthx]

Subscription based windows is guaranteed, MS are funneling everyone down this path, Office for example, 365 is subs based, we are changing to it on a corporate level soon (currently we use 2016 and Enterprise Win10).

Soon we will be paying our £10 a month for Windows 10 + Office 365, many people will go to other OS's when this happens and many will stay.

monthly fee for OS? nope; now fees for possibly upgrades that's a maybe - but long as Apple give them free - very big doubt that will happen either. Now - what they've put with phasing out hardware? yep another does that Apple - only certain official hardware will run with certain updates *which was shown; to be false with hacks*

but a monthly fee for the OS - nope they know people will jump ship same with businesses - Office is real bread and butter for MS - keeping everyone on unified platform is much better to keep feeding the corp machine....which is heart of MS business.

 

[meldarthx]

It has certainly reduced the piracy of some operating systems IMO. Many people are not migrating because their previously cracked win 7 OS does not upgrade to win 10.

There may be successful implementations of a Win 10 crack but I am not aware of any and we should not of course discuss them if there are.

LOL are you serious? MS even said - those with cracked win 7 would upgrade for free without issue.....second win 10 is just as easy to crack or easier to crack than 7.....but that's neither here or there......

 

[jbh110tdi]

I suspect if windows moves to a subscription model (which i don't see as a bad thing tbh...) then we could see renewed interest in Linux. If that is the case then i could see Linux reaching similar performance to windows within 10-15 years.

If windows went to subscription I would go back to windows 7 or try Linux on my PC and buy a PS4 for modern games..

 

[DarrenM343]

I really don't understand why anyone wants to stay on Win 7 unless the people simply have an issue with moving onto anything new. Are they slow learners ? .

Forget the spying paranoid BS.

I think it's a good move personally, supporting multiple platforms could actually lead to more bugs, higher costs and performance issues.

 

[DragonQ]

If windows went to subscription I would go back to windows 7 or try Linux on my PC and buy a PS4 for modern games..

PS4 and Xbox One have subscriptions too, assuming you ever want to play online. They also have exactly the same kind of metrics gathering as Windows 10 does.

 

[jbh110tdi]

I really don't understand why anyone wants to stay on Win 7 unless the people simply have an issue with moving onto anything new. Are they slow learners ? .

Forget the spying paranoid BS.

I think it's a good move personally, supporting multiple platforms could actually lead to more bugs, higher costs and performance issues.

Im using windows 10 and I do like it.
but after buying a licence key if they went to monthly payments I would run an operating system that I would be happy to use and not pay monthly for.

PS4 and Xbox One have subscriptions too, assuming you ever want to play online. They also have exactly the same kind of metrics gathering as Windows 10 does.

I cant remember the last time I played a game online. Its normally single player stuff that I play. I had a wee shot of GTA online but went back to story mode.

 

[Rroff]

I really don't understand why anyone wants to stay on Win 7 unless the people simply have an issue with moving onto anything new. Are they slow learners ? .

Forget the spying paranoid BS.

I think it's a good move personally, supporting multiple platforms could actually lead to more bugs, higher costs and performance issues.

Regarding 7 it works - the only thing that would be nice to have really from 10 really is the start menu tiles section (and/or if you prefer to search etc. that stuff) - I have full control of any restarting/updates/drivers, aesthetically its miles ahead of 10 with far more professional work on the layout, icons, etc. even if some consider the 3D look dated and if you don't install some of the more recent updates you have pretty much full control over any telemetry type stuff.

Having run 7 and 10 side by side on desktop and 8 and 10 side by side on tablets I've put any of the systems I seriously use back to 7 or 8 as appropriate as it is just less hassle and more convenient than dealing with 10.