I do think they'll go subscription based, but probably with a free tier. I would handle how microsoft dealt with invalid keys on xp. Don't shut people out of the OS, but provide nag screens and only provide critical security updates. Throw in some sponsored ads for Windows Store applications on the start menu and you've got a workable commercial model that should provide reliable cash flow. For OEMs sell a free 24 month subscription with all systems.
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if they do go subscription based I would like to think its after windows 10..
one of my machines had a retail W7 code which was upgraded to W10 and I purchased a W10 licence key for this machine.. I would be rather ticked off if so far down the line they tell me.. ohh see that licence key you bought. you now need to give us a monthly fee to use it.
one of my machines had a retail W7 code which was upgraded to W10 and I purchased a W10 licence key for this machine.. I would be rather ticked off if so far down the line they tell me.. ohh see that licence key you bought. you now need to give us a monthly fee to use it.
In your scenario they could offer anyone who bought a license a lifetime subscription. Or they could argue that 10 years (as an example i plucked out of thin air) is the expected lifetime of an OS and give you subscription up to 10 years after windows 10 came out.
Cobblers. That answer makes no sense at all. They're mining far too much data for that purpose. You don't need to read everyone's emails and look at their photos for "general analytics". Nor do you need to control their PC remotely, installing and uninstalling whatever you like without their consent.
The most plausible explanation is some combination of these things:
1) Following the current fashion for collecting data just for the sake of doing so.
2) An intention to use the information for profit in some way, most likely by simply selling it to advertisers.
3) An intention to close the platform so all Windows software has to be bought through Microsoft.
Tin-foil hat territory would be MS spying for the Illuminati alien lizard overlords or whatever. A logical, plausible explanation for what MS is openly doing is not a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy belief.
I really don't understand why anyone wants to stay on Win 7 unless the people simply have an issue with moving onto anything new. Are they slow learners ?.
I'll be moving from Windows 7 to Linux for my main PC, which is a much bigger difference in use than moving from Windows 7 to Windows 10. I'll probably use Win10 on my games console PC because I would be very surprised if Linux becomes a viable alternative for gaming.
Your determination to fail to understand simple and clearly explained reasons is your problem. Are you a slow learner?
People need to stop making attempts at shaming others that think personal privacy is important.
I think privacy control on my computer is vital. I don't want an operating system snooping on what I do and don't do. I also don't want an operating system on a networked machine that as far as I can tell using an open ended attack and trying to control the router host file and snoop on all the other machines.
Already on Ubuntu 16.04LTS and most of my Steam library works. There's definitely less performance, but I'm amazed I can play stuff like Dying Light, F1 2015 and Metro Last Light on it. Absolutely incredible in just 3 years how far it's come.*
*Just use Nvidia graphics.
*Just use Nvidia graphics.
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Was only joking hence the smiley. Win 10 doesn't even take much learning anyways
I can understand the reasons but I disagree with them, personally, nothing wrong with that is there? And also see other reasons other than what people state as their reasons to be the real reasons....
Someone mentioned subscription based, as far as I know that's just speculation at the moment. MS might continue as they do now, charge for new systems, free upgrades for existing.
Overall, Win 10 is a better "evolved" OS. I work in IT and use multiple OS's but would prefer Win 10 now always vs the older OS's.
Someone mentioned being in control of updates. Most of us aren't really aware how severe cyber security issues are today. Governments around the world have recently realised state sponsored groups can take money out of the international banking system with ease and have been doing so for quite some time and there's nothing we can do about it possibly - we might have to just absorb the costs of the money being taken. Although they are not really interested in us private folk, who knows, but I'd advise keeping your system fully up to date with updates as soon as they're released and I'd want the latest OS for the same reason - it will offer better protection. I must admit when I had WIndows 7 I used to select the option to inform me only and let me decide when to update but now welcome automatic silent updating, initially not liking the idea but now think it's best.
Partly because of the above there's a good chance the internet of the future may not be as open as it is today, ie, we may only be able to get to European websites only as we may end up with our own European intranet. This is one idea that has been discussed already.
I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years time we see companies being brought to a halt temporarily. Or we hear of a mass DOS attacked where the source of the attack is the fridges in each of our homes or the old PC in the corner running on older OS. Currently most wireless household devices now being "Internet enabled" have little or no security at all. I also wonder about AV software - I'm not sure it helps at all when it comes stopping anything a state sponsored group may want to do.
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I work in IT for a world-wide manufacturing corporation, we have a dedicated team who fight cyber crime and deal with cyber security, and I can attest to the fact cyber security on a corporate level us getting more and more important.
I have witnessed incidents recently that defrauded customers of ours of tens of thousands of pounds, and another incident where an operation was shut down for many hours to a sum of a few million. Ransomware on a corporate level is increasing.
We are rolling windows 10 out on a corporate level, I actively promote it above other OS
I have witnessed incidents recently that defrauded customers of ours of tens of thousands of pounds, and another incident where an operation was shut down for many hours to a sum of a few million. Ransomware on a corporate level is increasing.
We are rolling windows 10 out on a corporate level, I actively promote it above other OS
Yeah security has always been important, but the number of attackers wasn't that high in the past. It still baffles me that some websites still don't hash and salt passwords, one of which shocked me, namely sapphires support website. I told them about it a couple of months ago and they still haven't fixed it last time I checked.
Hopefully hardware level hypervisior OSs take off so we can have both Windows and Linux systems when we require. The larger number of NAS systems is a great move regardless as data is moving away from Windows and onto more optimised systems and may limit the amount of "spying" that Microsoft can do.
Being more in control of updates doesn't mean not updating at all or significantly slower. I'd also like to see a much more defined boundary between security updates and other updates as personally I like to stay on top of security updates but install other updates at a time of my convenience and choosing not when MS just assumes or rather presumes. Windows 10 has been a nightmare on my tablet with one of the biggest issues being that it will launch into updates sometimes when you turn it on either meaning you are sitting at the update screen for an indefinite amount of time before you get to the desktop or you get to the desktop and shortly afterwards it starts thrashing CPU and so on preparing for a new update which makes an already relatively low powered device even slower. I don't see a problem with the design they have for updates being the default model as it would suit many of the general consumers but its entirely lacking for either more advanced users and/or if there is a problem - especially since the AU update I've had to deal with half a dozen or more situations where simply being able to manually stop and/or manually force restart an update would have solved a lot of problems.
Yep it's crazy. I knew about hashing and salting passwords just from a quick google when I was writing some application that needed login credentials years ago. Rule 1, never roll your own cryptography, rule 2 always salt and hash passwords (both client and server side if web based). Even Adobe wasn't doing this a couple of years ago... no idea if they've improved yet.
Was only joking hence the smiley. Win 10 doesn't even take much learning anyways
I can understand the reasons but I disagree with them, personally, nothing wrong with that is there? And also see other reasons other than what people state as their reasons to be the real reasons....
Some people see all sorts of secret conspiracies and assume that people are lying about their reasons for all sorts of things. You're putting yourself in the tinfoil hat-wearing brigade now.
I wouldn't mind if MS did charge a subscription for Windows, as long as it was a small one and the operating system was just an operating system. It's the stuff added to the operating system I object to, not how I pay for the operating system.
I've no objection to Win 10. My objection is to the stuff added to it, not to the OS itself.
That would make sense if the dispute was between no updates and updates. It isn't, so your argument is irrelevant except as obfuscation.
I install all security updates for Windows 7. I would like to continue installing all security updates, but MS won't allow Windows 10 users to do that and from next month won't allow Windows users to do that even if they remain on Windows 7. So obviously MS's updating policy is not about security.
Also, as you rightly point out the biggest cause for concern over computer security in the future isn't PCs at all. It has become routine for internet-connected devices to be the weak point because security on them ranges from non-existent to a joke. Using the "internet of things" to breach security has become so normal that it only gets any attention at all if it's noteworthy for some other reason, such as the recent hacking of internet-connected sex toys.
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Same here, I liked 7 and when I built a new PC and bought 8.1 I regretted it, however once I moved to 10 it was much cloder to 7 than 8.1 was and I'm happy with it, I had a few niggles in the beginning but it all seems to be ironed out now and it runs like clockwork here so I'm happy,
If I'm expected to subscribe in future I won't bother though. Not if I can help it.
People simply don't like change. It was the same with Windows 95, 98 and XP . Now they are hailed to best OS's ever, yet when they was first released they got the same backlash Windows 10 has now. In a few years time everyone would have moved over to Windows 10 and forgotten.
If Intel are working with MS to make the latest CPU's to only work with Windows 10 then fair play. I have no issues with that. Better hardware security.
But you still get the die hard fans "NO!! WINDOWS 7 FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!" Until they have a major security flaw which only effects Windows 7 and compromises their data. Then they blame MS as its never the users fault.
If Intel are working with MS to make the latest CPU's to only work with Windows 10 then fair play. I have no issues with that. Better hardware security.
But you still get the die hard fans "NO!! WINDOWS 7 FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!" Until they have a major security flaw which only effects Windows 7 and compromises their data. Then they blame MS as its never the users fault.
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I value my privacy AND I use windows 10 on all my machines. But I, unlike 99% of people don't click use express settings and turn off all the data sharing settings.
Get going fast!
Use express settings
Or a little link that says customise options
Always click the little link and turn everything off.
Get going fast!
Use express settings
Or a little link that says customise options
Always click the little link and turn everything off.
Sure there are some who are resistant to change but it isn't just about change - I was one of the first people jumping onto 10 when they opened the insider program, etc. there are several aspects of the OS that have a significant negative impact on what I do making Windows 10 in its current form pretty much useless for me overall despite some good things. Up until the AU release I was running multiple systems (tablets, secondary gaming/test PC and laptop plus a couple of VMs on my main system to test stuff) on 10 other than my main gaming and main desktop PCs and I've now given up and rolled them back to 7 as it was just collectively too much hassle/problematic*.
And I totally understand that some people do NOT like the feeling that someone is watching over their shoulder even if they don't have anything to hide and/or understand the nature of data collection in 10 that feeling will still pervade. MS are taking a very bad direction in 10 and people shouldn't just accept it.
* Also when you have half an eye for aesthetics and spend many hours a day looking at a desktop Windows 10 is really quite fatiguing and an eye sore - sure it might be more "modern looking" than 7 but with minor theming (which isn't even possible on 10 without 3rd party tools) 7 is many times better aesthetically and infinitely easier on the eyes.
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You are right, people shouldnt just accept it but people have. Many rushing out to buy the latest iDevice or Android smart phone and think the same isnt going on the background?!?!!?
People get upset about Windows 10 and its data collecting because they have been informed about it. When mobile phones and App's have been doing it silently for years and you have no control over it unless you go back to a Nokia 3210.
And less not get started on Cloud storage services and their data collecting
