Keeping up with the Markles

I still can't get my head around why nations thousands of miles away would want the British head of State as their head of State. It's frankly ridiculous. I don't even want the Windsors' as our head of State after the Queen snuffs it so why the hell would someone living abroad. You can all still be friends and have your own heads of State.
Maybe being an entirely ceremonial role they are happy to acknowledge the historical ties that bind us. After all some of those countries simply wouldn't exist ahd they not been created as colonies by the UK. In addition being a member of the Commonwealth might be seen to be advantageous, after all some countries that have never been UK colonies have voluntarily joined an organisation headed by the Head of State of the Worlds fifth largest economy.

As to the backlash posted about, finding 5 or 6 people that wan't to provide race bait quotes wouldn't be difficut on this forum let alone amongst the politicised ranks of internantional journalists and activists.
 
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Doesn't Commonwealth membership still confer some favourable trade deals, so post brexit, importance increased ?

I guess William was briefed/had pre-decided what he would say -
do we really believe he hadn't spoken to Hamlet (prince-harry-is-a-freudian-dream) on the phone;
had the family not had a preview anyway; if he acknowledged he had called him, that would indicate anger too.
 
Maybe being an entirely ceremonial role they are happy to acknowledge the historical ties that bind us. After all some of those countries simply wouldn't exist ahd they not been created as colonies by the UK. In addition being a member of the Commonwealth might be seen to be advantageous, after all some countries that have never been UK colonies have voluntarily joined an organisation headed by the Head of State of the Worlds fifth largest economy.

As to the backlash posted about, finding 5 or 6 people that wan't to provide race bait quotes wouldn't be difficut on this forum let alone amongst the politicised ranks of internantional journalists and activists.

Can you imagine a scenario where us Brits would accept someone else's head of state as our head of state? I mean we just shot ourselves in the foot over a perceived lack of sovereignty, well that and keeping out jonnie foreigner.

Australia will likely do the off. They should all make their own way, we can still belong to a club if they like and be nice to each other. I honestly think we'll lose a few when the Queen pops her clogs. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will be the end of the monarchy but sadly I think the freeloaders will hang in there for another generation.
 
Can you imagine a scenario where us Brits would accept someone else's head of state as our head of state? I mean we just shot ourselves in the foot over a perceived lack of sovereignty, well that and keeping out jonnie foreigner.

Australia will likely do the off. They should all make their own way, we can still belong to a club if they like and be nice to each other. I honestly think we'll lose a few when the Queen pops her clogs. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will be the end of the monarchy but sadly I think the freeloaders will hang in there for another generation.
Australia have been toying with it every time they get a Labour administration in power. So far in the last 50 years they have not done anything about replacing the Queen. It is up to them and I would wish them well whatever is decided.
Britain has had a millenium of monarchy and plenty of scandals. It will take a bit more than this little episode to bring about its end.
 
This is basically what watching the corporate media and posting on social media does to people nowadays.

I was involved in a real life version of this at work a few weeks ago.

We had an ongoing problem at work that I had not yet been involved in, so I was asked to blindly come to my own conclusions, as to not be influenced by everyone else's ideas. (Bear in mind that when I talk about ideas and conclusions, I am talking about very tangible things with very definite consequences etc. , not opinion, subjective, or statistic based things.)

I did so; and came up with an unpopular conclusion (even I didn't like what I had suggested), but had proven to myself why it must be so.
"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

A meeting (off the books) was held with all the big fish at work physically present, including a couple of outside agencies representatives (probably 12 total), and 1 very, very, well payed, and highly regarded expert on the end of the telephone.
I was not specifically invited, being a relative small fish, but was told by one guy higher up (X) to just turn up anyway, as I was the only person to have had an in depth, unbiased look into the problem so far (people had looked into the problem already, but more off hearsay and assumptions rather than hard fact).

The impossible but popular conclusion (and therefore solution) was immediately discussed around the room, with everyone but me and X blindly agreeing. The atmosphere seemed to become one of back patting and general smugness that all the big boys were in agreement.

I announced why this could not be the case, and the room came around to my explanation, until one of the expert customers present threw in a curveball that I was not prepared to answer definitively with the information I had in front of me (I knew for fact what they were saying was wrong, but had not expected to have to prove such during the meeting, as I didn't realise any customers would be there chucking such wild curveballs).

Immediately all the bigger boys (bar X) turned straight back to the warm fuzzy explanation that they could all agree on. At which point the expert on the phone jumped into the agreeing group, which in turn immediately made the group believe in their idea more so.

In the meantime I hopped on the computer quickly and gathered the evidence to bat away the curve ball. During this time; the room was now discussing the plan of action with the expert.

Having gathered evidence; I interrupted the discussion to express how adamant I was that everyone else was wrong. The expert on the phone responded by saying that his colleagues sat next to him were also in agreement with the room, and that he is incredibly experienced in the field (that cannot be denied). I responded that I have the hard evidence on paper in front of me, and apologised that his mates and vast experience could not convince me otherwise unless they could tell me why I was wrong.

They could not, and even did not, try to refute what I had presented. The room went back to before, so I hopped back on the computer and gathered every little shred of evidence, no matter how insignificant it may seem.

The meeting finished during this time, at which point the biggest boys split off into there own meeting about how to proceed, which I again butted into and showed the catalogue of evidence. Only one of them (Y) let go of the warm fuzzy feeling of having an expert agree without evidence, and asked me to put down everything I had said on paper.

Once I had put it down on paper with my name and signature, it became the only course of action available unless someone else put down on paper why I was wrong. With no one willing or able to do so; the job was put on hold.

Y then sent of the official support request to the expert (he was expecting to be able to respond as he did in the meeting) citing my evidence. Low and behold a week later, now that big money and potential legal ramifications are on the line; he eventually agreed with my conclusion and suggested my course of action.

Take what you will from this story, but try and imagine who could be in what position in the video, and how the video could then represent different parties in this Markle discussion. You (anyone in the thread) may not change your mind, but I'm sure you will be able to see how some people can have theirs changed for better or worse.
 
We refer to it as cognitive dissonance in my office. It is easier to agree with the collective than spend the required time to adequately understand the nuances of a problem and reach your own conclusion. This is more challenging if there is a technical understanding gap between the doer and the decision maker.
 
We refer to it as cognitive dissonance in my office. It is easier to agree with the collective than spend the required time to adequately understand the nuances of a problem and reach your own conclusion. This is more challenging if there is a technical understanding gap between the doer and the decision maker.
It boggled me that in my case there were potentially lives on the line, but everyone was more than happy to go on the whim until signatures were required on legal paperwork to go against what I had said.
Don't be afraid even as the little man (such as me) to shout loud if the evidence is in your favour!
 
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We seem completely to have lost the plot here chaps, this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Duke or Duchess of Sussex, mental health, racism or even Piers Morgan :confused:
 
So.

Been a few claims of what the whole of the public think about X or Y.

Yougov did a poll of royal popularity on 1664 people ending 11th March otherwise known as yesterday:

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/dkq32ft8nv/Royal favourability 11 March.pdf

As expected Andrews name is mud.
Anne and Edward who tend to keep their heads down have the highest "who?" factor.
Harry and Meghan have a somewhat negative reputation.
Charles and Camilla are... I guess neutral overall?
William and Kate are extremely popular.
The Queen is bombproof.

I grouped them together but Meghan and Camilla have notably worse results than their husbands.

No option for Philip :mad:

Also for the claims of most people think X or Y about having a monarchy (1672 people 2 days earlier):

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/rwltuoo339/Attitudes to monarchy.pdf

Still significantly want a monarchy instead of electing a head of state.

The average youngun is in favour of electing a head of state but they are a minority overall.
 
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It would have been a much quicker read if the Mail had printed the bits from the interview that were true.

I hope the DM sues Oprah and her organisation for that misleading headline.

I am starting to think Oprah is very biased.

Anyone know why Harry did not start the interview with Meghan, was he discriminated against or just less important to the story?
 
So.

Been a few claims of what the whole of the public think about X or Y.

Yougov did a poll of royal popularity on 1664 people ending 11th March otherwise known as yesterday:

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/dkq32ft8nv/Royal favourability 11 March.pdf
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Yeah H and especially M have trashed their reputation in the UK a fair bit - M has gone down by several points in popularity.

Their aim though was the US market/Hollywood where the interview has been well received, they've scored woke points, the race thing was absolute gold for Meghan and the whole thing is useful PR for their future ventures there.

As far as social-climbing goes - she's already got the Dutchess title, she's aligned herself well into A-List territory now, the Opera thing was a good move - not surprising Opera got a seat at the front at the wedding despite only having met Meghan once before.

Being Hollywood Royalty perhaps has much better perks than being working Royalty in the UK. Even the queen basically lives in a (relatively) modest apartment in Buckingham Palace during the working week (or at least did pre-pandemic), H&M were living in a small cottage in the grounds of Kensington Palace and even after the move to Frogmore Cottage it still doesn't really compare to a low eight-figure, blinged-out Hollywood mansion.

That (relative) lack of luxury compared to the lifestyle she knows celebrity friends have in the US and the greater freedom - while I'm sure she loved some of the bigger events where she could rock up as a Princess/Dutchess to adoring crowds/TV coverage etc.. she was probably less enthusiastic about a future schedule of regular less exciting events like going to open some random school in Rotherham on a rainy day and keep up the usual smile etc.. when it's going to get local news coverage at best or perhaps just a few photos for the local paper.

They can ditch all that nonsense now, the lack of "HRH" titles is a bit moot in the US anyway, they're still well known as "Royals" still have the Duke and Dutchess titles and it would be awkward anyway for US media to be all "your Royal Highness" when addressing them.
 
It would have been a much quicker read if the Mail had printed the bits from the interview that were true.

I hope the DM sues Oprah and her organisation for that misleading headline.

I am starting to think Oprah is very biased.

Anyone know why Harry did not start the interview with Meghan, was he discriminated against or just less important to the story?
That whole poor excuse for an interview was most probably scripted ;). If anything Oprah has lost a lot of credibility in my eyes for not once even challenging any of the claims Meghan and to an extent Harry made.
 
In a couple of years Meghan's royal title will be history anyway.

They are alienated from Meghan's family

They have had bust ups with the news media

They have done this interview and trashed the Royal family.

Eventually Meghan will run out of things/people to target, when that happens it will be Harry's turn to be on the receiving end when she realises how boring day to day life is with him.

2 years and another Royal marriage will end of divorce, I wonder who will get the kids.
 
The sad thing in all of this is if you don't believe her then you are a racist etc, especially in the media, look at Sharon Osbourne, stook up for Morgan having his own view and now on the same naughty list.

You must tow the woke line or you will be cancelled, no matter what the evidence etc is, you are wrong ,woke is right.
 
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