Keeping up with the Markles

joey1211 said:
Witness James O'Brien tearing him a new one

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James is pretty awesome. I listen and watch his channel quite a bit.

but I don’t think they will invite him to host cos he will quit long before anyone asks him to. He s got integrity and he just won’t stand some of the BS tv exec will pull to get viewings.
 
He has pretty much chucked a grenade in to the studio and shut the door. He goes off to another job while they have to clean up the mess and deal with any legal fallout lol

He is a bit of a *****, but TV needs people who speak their mind instead of follow the whole "progressive" script set out by the broadcaster. Sometimes he does have a point.
 
Robbo said:
I am actually quite worried how many people have blindly believed Meghan, everything about her screams narcissist.
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That is exactly what that interview shows. Every sentence she starts “I”. Even with Archie’s welfare it is not “we”. It is “I” want this and that.

even referring to Harry as Husband not Harry in front Oprah - a friend, is very very strange. You use Husband Wife construct with strangers or if you are guarding something.

I think the whole thing is exaggerated truth or manufactured.
 
Robbo said:
I am actually quite worried how many people have blindly believed Meghan, everything about her screams narcissist. I have sympathy for Harry as I think he's got his own issues and has been manipulated.

Has Piers left or been sacked? Surprised he'd fall on his sword over this.
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I have no idea if she is telling the truth. What I have witnessed is the tabloid press run a concerted campaign against her for years. Don't think that doesn't have an effect on public perception. They do it because they know it does. To be honest I don't really care, the royals are obsolete in my opinion. When the Queen dies Commonwealth countries will most likely leave in droves and maybe there will be a move to end the monarchy. M&H are both rich, they'll be fine. I just hate the UK press and the way it bullies people with zero consequences. As we saw today with Morgan, when it gets turned on them they hate it but they care not for any harm they might do. It doesn't matter if you are marrying into the royals, that doesn't mean you have to take any **** the press throws at you. I'm all for freedom of the press but if the tabloids folded tomorrow the world would be a better place for it.
 
Dolph said:
What about when the perception of the motivation is demonstratably in contradiction with the facts?

I have no issue accepting that questions or queries about the skin colour of the child could be considered offensive, and no issue accepting that the duchess found them offensive.

I have major issues with the presentation of the idea that archie isn't a Prince because of the above, because Harry's children were never going to have the title in the first place. That is the point, whether through ignorance, delusion or malicious dishonesty, that the argument is wrong and must be rejected.
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Harry's kids were surely going to get that title. As soon as Charles took the throne.

So it was only a matter of time. Unless your suggesting Charles isn't going to be given the throne. Do you have anything to back that up?

Is it possible nobody explained this to them? Sure people are happy enough to explain it now after the fact but is it possible that they were rather blunt about it and never bothered explaining the rules properly to them?

Also surely the queen can change these rules at any time she wants to?

Bare in mind the rules were made at a time where it's likely that great grand children wouldn't have been a common thing. What was the average life expectancy in 1917?
 
He annoyed me a bit when questioning her disclosure of suffering from mental health issues / suicidal thoughts.

Nothing would satiate his thirst for revenge as he would see it for her cutting him out.

if she had attempted suicide he would claim she wasn’t serious about it and just wanted attention.

She would have to be dead and buried and then the fake reflection / deflection would begin. Sounds a lot like the Britney documentary and how she was mistreated.

the mans obsessed, glad to se he has gone.
 
IMO it can only be a good thing for getting rid of the culture of "guilty for life upon accusation without evidence" and victim culture when you've got MM who is not a likeable/popular person and her supporters like Hillary 'hypocrite' Clinton who savaged anyone who accused Bill of sexual assault over the course of two decades on the side of it.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Harry's kids were surely going to get that title. As soon as Charles took the throne.

So it was only a matter of time. Unless your suggesting Charles isn't going to be given the throne. Do you have anything to back that up?

Is it possible nobody explained this to them? Sure people are happy enough to explain it now after the fact but is it possible that they were rather blunt about it and never bothered explaining the rules properly to them?

Also surely the queen can change these rules at any time she wants to?

Bare in mind the rules were made at a time where it's likely that great grand children wouldn't have been a common thing. What was the average life expectancy in 1917?
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Do you have anything to suggest a title wouldn't occur when Charles ascends to the throne?
 
By her own admission, it would seem that the Duchess of Sussex has mental health problems; she deserves understanding and support, not the incessant malicious spiteful sniping from the gutter press, particularly from the God-awful Daily mail.

Hopefully the measured, conciliatory brief announcement today from the Palace will calm things down and these people will be left to resolve their differences out of the glare of public goading on antisocial meeja and elsewhere.

I gather that Piers Morgan is stepping down from his soapbox - that can only be seen as a good thing - I hope he spends much more time with his family - if they can stand having him around.
 
omnomnom said:
No i dont. Im askign why people feel the way they do about her and if they have evidence. Not one person has brought any yet
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I made that point to my wife. Her counter was that we must believe that either nearly all of her family and Harry's family are the issue, or she is. On balance of probability, rightly or wrongly, most people will assume it is her.
 
omnomnom said:
No i dont. Im askign why people feel the way they do about her and if they have evidence. Not one person has brought any yet
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In the interests of balance, I've managed to find confirmation of two points I wanted answers to.

Firstly, that she was having suicidal thoughts, and that those words were either used by her or two her, that is confirmed.

‘And I was I went to the institution, and I said that I needed to go somewhere to get help. I said that "I've never felt this way before, and I need to go somewhere."

‘And I was told that I couldn't, that it wouldn't be good for the institution.’

Oprah: 'So, were you thinking of harming yourself? Were you having suicidal thoughts? Meghan: ‘Yes. This was very, very clear.’
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Secondly that there were "concerns" over her kid's skin colour. Also confirmed:

Meghan: 'I can give you an honest answer. In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time so we have in tandem the conversation of "He won't be given security, he's not going to be given a title," and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born.'

Oprah: 'Who is having that conversation with you? What?'

Meghan: ‘There were several conversations about it.'

Oprah: 'About how dark your baby is going to be?'

Meghan: 'Potentially, and what that would mean or look like.'

Oprah: 'And you're not going to tell me who had the conversation?'

Meghan: 'I think that would be very damaging to them.'
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...MJC3ko0m9yA9zGMhocqyUUDMgymCuesHKo1gMrBsVMg3I

So yes, I'm glad that I've got that sorted out. I feel a little bad for her now though, purely because having suicidal thoughts is awful. But that doesn't account for the falsehoods, inconsistencies and lies and the fact that I still think she is responsible for the massive rift in the Royal Family and that she has a terrible personal history which must be factored in. What a mess this whole situation is. An utter shambles.
 
I've now watched the full interview with my wife.

I honestly don't think anyone can comment sincerely without watching the whole thing.

It's very interesting how the press cherry pick the talking points for instance.

And reading a transcript isn't the same either, as you can't see the body language, the considered pauses etc.

I believe they are telling the truth. You can see how hurt Harry is, and I imagine that he probably fell out with his dad about his security being taken away.
 
In fairness she’s an actress so would be perfectly rehearsed at giving a performance of a life time over this.

we’re watching it now
 
Sad to see Piers go, he was the only good thing on GMB.

Meghan dropped the race card and mental health card, I like Piers don't believe a word of it, but in 2021 if you mention it you are completely protected.
 
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