Keeping up with the Markles

dowie said:
He didn't really - he's paid for his opinion but because she's a "black" woman and this involves mental health then it suddenly becomes super sensitive...

In fact, the whole thing becomes some semi-woke issue just because of the angles being spun there - ordinarily a woe is me story about a famous actress and her aristocrat husband having to live off his trust fund would be absurd but how in those angles and you're supposed to be hugely sympathetic with them etc..

I don't see why multiples things can't be plausible here - that an unnamed member of the Royal Family is an out of touch racist, that Meghan is manipulative and a bully and that Harry is a bit thick/naive and has been completely played. This will absolutely blow up in his face if they ever get divorced.

Its quite telling that she didn't really have any friends or family at her wedding, she had her mum, cast members from suits and loads of celebrities, including Opera (who she'd only ever met once before). The first husband got ditched not long after she landed the role in suits, no cheating or other issues involved. Friends seemingly got ditched too.

The diva/bullying isn't just someone leaking gossip to the tabloids - it's multiple people, including journalists witnessing a staff member being reduced to tears in Australia after being scolded by Meghan, two PAs quitting in short succession and apparently a whole bunch of complaints to the palace from others. It wasn't just the bridesmaid dresses incident that caused an argument with Kate - they also apparently fell out over.... the way Meghan had spoken to a member of Kate's staff.

Harry has never been too bright - he went to one of the best schools in the country and came away with only two A-Levels - a B in art and a D in geography (only the latter one involved actually sitting an exam) his B grade is suspect as his art teacher claims she was instructed by the school to help him cheat. That apparent cheating is the only reason he even managed to scrape the min requirements to become an Army Officer - he was apparently well-liked in that role but realistically, he knew he wasn't going to go any further than Captian - that would involve passing exams again! Or having some position where he didn't follow a normal career anymore and he somehow got a bunch of actual promotions (not just appointments/ceremonial roles) he'd not earned.

That they were surprised the RCMP would no longer provide security to them is baffling, they're no longer working Royals yet they're expecting Canadian taxpayers to just cough up for their security.

Likewise Meghan's claims about not having anyone teach her what is expected - she didn't know the national anthem (as if that is difficult to google herself) or she didn't know basic stuff about royal protocol, expected behaviour etc... Harry only thought to ask her if she knew how to curtsey when in the car going to meet the Queen for the first time... He's a bit dim but she could have asked him about all of this stuff or indeed he could have been proactive and told her what she needed to know.

The whole thing was a big publicity play for them - being a victim. race etc.. are big things these days, especially in America - they played right into that, Harry has "done the work" etc.. fits neatly with a popular view in the US of the Royals being out of touch etc... (which isn't necessarily too far wrong). But essentially Harry, being a bit dim, has allowed his whole family to be thrown under the bus for the sake of raising their profile further as some power couple and gaining more popularity in the states. As much as he's tried to separate his accusations re: "the firm" rather than individual relatives the obvious damage has been done.
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I thank you for taking the time to write that. It all fits for me.
 
dowie said:
He didn't really - he's paid for his opinion but because she's a "black" woman and this involves mental health then it suddenly becomes super sensitive...

In fact, the whole thing becomes some semi-woke issue just because of the angles being spun there - ordinarily a woe is me story about a famous actress and her aristocrat husband having to live off his trust fund would be absurd but how in those angles and you're supposed to be hugely sympathetic with them etc..
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Basically that narrative really. It's 2021 so a while man isn't allowed to question the motives of a non-white woman for any reason without being branded racist/sexist.

Agree with your point regarding all those things being plausible. I still feel Meghan is the one who's manipulated the whole situation for her own benefit though.
 
It's weird that they slam the institution but not the Queen. Ultimately she is the boss and if it is a dysfunctional institution then she is at least partly responsible.
 
jpaul said:
Fergie took it all in her stride and gave as good as she got .... if you've seen her magnum oprah
maybe the problem is Meg was not British, so more benign than racism, she couldn't adapt culturally.
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That is definitely part of it.... although time will tell if that's a good thing or not.
 
SpeedFreak said:
It's weird that they slam the institution but not the Queen. Ultimately she is the boss and if it is a dysfunctional institution then she is at least partly responsible.
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Everyone excludes the queen.

Whatever the faults of the institution and her family she's performed her role without causing drama for longer than most people have been alive.

That's "all" the others have to do too but shutting up about everything, living respectably and having an appearances schedule for your entire life is just too hard...

I guess Edward, Anne and William are living the role as they should.

Also all the other royals who you've forgotten the name of because they don't disgrace themselves and get in headlines.
 
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Zatoichi.uK said:
I'm no fan of the royals by any stretch, but its pretty sad to see the amount of people ready to throw them under the bus for an alleged comment by an unknown individual devoid of context. I almost feel sorry for them.
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Harry better hope she does not divorce him that's all i can say he has burnt all his bridges with his family and the British public.
 
adam cool dude said:
I think the one positive that has come out of it is that he managed to see a life outside of the royal family and he is right to say both his father and brother are trapped. What ever your views of the royal family are living a free life is just not an option. You are a servant to the system.

I think the reality is Megan went into it completely blind and didn't realise what she was getting into. Tension increased and tempers flayed. If you don't play along to the system you get kicked out.
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No-one got kicked out she/they flounced out her/themselves.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Harry was 20, who didn't do stupid **** when they were 20? Also if this article is to be believed William helped him choose the costume. So I guess we're all pilling on with William as well.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/10...als-and-natives-party-participation-book-says
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Oh right so harry says "***i(stani)" to a person of colour in his regiment but that was "said without malice" but someone allegedly makes a passing comment speculating on the skin colour of the baby and suddenly thats a massive "OMG! They/he/she/they/the monarchy/GB is institutionally racist burn them all with fire!"

Good lord.
 
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banbom44 said:
Harry better hope she does not divorce him that's all i can say he has burnt all his bridges with his family and the British public.
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If that were to happen, if I was head of the family I would insist he does another interview where he back peddles on all his BS before being allowed back
 
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https://youtu.be/Huab6p5HW0E?t=294
In her and Prince Harry's tell-all interview with Oprah Winfrey, Meghan Markle explained that she didn't know what she was getting into when she joined the royal family. But in a resurfaced interview from 2018, Last Week Tonight host John Oliver warns the Duchess of Sussex why she shouldn't marry into the monarchy.

"I would not blame her if she pulled out of this at the last minute," Oliver said while on The Late Show With Stephen Colbert, just months prior to Meghan and Prince Harry's wedding. "I don't think you need to have just seen the pilot episode of The Crown to get a basic sense of, she might be marrying into a family that could cause her some emotional complications."

The British comedian went on to slam the royal family during his Late Show appearance, saying, "They're an emotionally stunted group of fundamentally flawed people doing a very silly, pseudo job. That's what she's marrying into. So I hope she likes it. It's going to be weird for her. I would not marry into the royal family. I'm a commoner. I would not be welcome, especially after what I've just said."
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Hotwired said:
Everyone excludes the queen.

Whatever the faults of the institution and her family she's performed her role without causing drama for longer than most people have been alive.

That's "all" the others have to do too but shutting up about everything, living respectably and having an appearances schedule for your entire life is just too hard...

I guess Edward, Anne and William are living the role as they should.

Also all the other royals who you've forgotten the name of because they don't disgrace themselves and get in headlines.
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I think you've misunderstood me, I was pointing out the hypocritical aspect of Harry's statement, not having a go at the Queen.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Oh right so harry says "***i(stani)" to a person of colour in his regiment but that was "said without malice" but someone allegedly makes a passing comment speculating on the skin colour of the baby and suddenly thats a massive "OMG! They/he/she/they/the monarchy/GB is institutionally racist burn them all with fire!"

Good lord.
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If I had a kid with a black woman and a member of my family asked how black the child might be in a concerned manner I'd be saying WTF!

Wow talk about taking it to the extreme. No, such a comment doesn't make the whole country racist. Hyperbole much :rolleyes: Philip has a long history of ridiculous comments regarding race but he's from a different era. Harry says the comment was made, maybe there was a worry the child was going to be darker than Meghan. Should there have been? No there shouldn't. Who ever made the comment should have kept it to themselves. I mean who cares what skin colour the baby has, if you do care there is something wrong with you.
 
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