Pft then awards don't mean jack. History cannot be deleted.
One of the best actors out here. Period... O don't care about the awards. Pointless imo
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Pft then awards don't mean jack. History cannot be deleted.
One of the best actors out here. Period... O don't care about the awards. Pointless imo
Lol because it's true. I'm neither a trump supporter or hater. But both of these men appear to be in the same boat.
Kevin had had a great career. That will never be taken from him. I'm a fan for life.
Keyser Söze, one of the best.
Boring.
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Looks like HOC has been suspended from filming indefinitely.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/‘...following-kevin-spacey-allegations/ar-AAuhw3h
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/‘...following-kevin-spacey-allegations/ar-AAuhw3h
Strong, well put together argument. Would read again.
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Withdrawn as an exaggeration made in the heat of an acrimonious divorce, as the cited article clearly mentions:
Last year, she released another statement to CNN, saying that she originally told the story "at a time of very high tension" amid her divorce from Donald Trump, adding that the story was "totally without merit."
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Yes it's absurd.
Now the actors know... if they are competing against another actor for a role, just claim "they twiddled my nethers" and the other one will get publicly raped, while they get the part and many more...
It shouldn't do. If he's innocent then his choices were extremely limited because he's presumed guilty as that's now the custom.
1) Say that the incident never happened. Since he's presumed guilty, he'd then be villified even more for victim-blaming, harassment, trivialising sexual assault, re-victimising the victim, etc, etc.
2) Say what he said: that he has no memory of the incident but that he apologises anyway for any offence caused.
Neither would help because he's presumed guilty, but the second option is arguably less bad.
What could he have done that would not have raised your suspicions?
well he was in a play with the guy and there would have been others who could have at least corroborated the fact they were at a party together etc.. so a flat out denial could have been undermined a bit (not to mention there are other similar rumours about him)
given he seemingly was at a party with the guy then the apology and lack of recollection of the event seems like a decent move
the coming out thing has been turned against him somewhat, I a bit unsure whether to buy into the cynical view on that one re: it being a diversion, it is a pretty poor one if that was supposedly the intention - frankly him coming out now prevents any further surprises later relating to that
I'm inclined to believe the allegations are true, and frankly that is the case then he's probably feeling rather guilty and ashamed all these years later and would have to be a complete low life, given his position of power, to start issuing strong denials etc..
given he seemingly was at a party with the guy then the apology and lack of recollection of the event seems like a decent move
the coming out thing has been turned against him somewhat, I a bit unsure whether to buy into the cynical view on that one re: it being a diversion, it is a pretty poor one if that was supposedly the intention - frankly him coming out now prevents any further surprises later relating to that
I'm inclined to believe the allegations are true, and frankly that is the case then he's probably feeling rather guilty and ashamed all these years later and would have to be a complete low life, given his position of power, to start issuing strong denials etc..
People like harvey weinstein deserve whats coming to them for abusing their fame and fortune.
I think the issue is going to get a lot worse before its get better, you will get more famous people getting accused, some rightly so. some not.
A lot of people will not agree with me but the dark truth is
You will get a lot of people who will just jump on the band wagon, if it happened or not just to make a little cash and/or 10 mins of fame and the true people will get lost in the mix.
the other issue is some people looking for fame and money will have agreed at the time and now change the story to get back in the lime light.
along with the guilty people some innocent people will have their life destroyed just by getting named.
if someones going to ask why would they name themselves as getting raped ext, the world is full of silly people like that, looking to make some cash and/or get 10 mins of fame,
I think the issue is going to get a lot worse before its get better, you will get more famous people getting accused, some rightly so. some not.
A lot of people will not agree with me but the dark truth is
You will get a lot of people who will just jump on the band wagon, if it happened or not just to make a little cash and/or 10 mins of fame and the true people will get lost in the mix.
the other issue is some people looking for fame and money will have agreed at the time and now change the story to get back in the lime light.
along with the guilty people some innocent people will have their life destroyed just by getting named.
if someones going to ask why would they name themselves as getting raped ext, the world is full of silly people like that, looking to make some cash and/or get 10 mins of fame,
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How do I get a job on one of these party subs?
I think it's excellent that this offence has come to light and Spacey essentially admitted to it, HOC has been floundering for some time now and this means Netflix can put the money towards another show instead. Unfortunately this new Star Trek show is even worse and it could draw more publicity to it. The best outcome would be if both of the actors become embroiled in some long court case that results in both shows being cancelled.
You must be joking. It requires a herculean suspension of disbelief to believe that someone could somehow not recall such an incident. Spacey's statement is simply not credible and it is entirely appropriate to treat it with a high level of skepticism just as any court would. To affirm or deny is believable, but to claim not to remember is not, and to apologise is contradictory.
You must be joking. It requires a herculean suspension of disbelief to believe that someone could somehow not recall such an incident. Spacey's statement is simply not credible and it is entirely appropriate to treat it with a high level of skepticism just as any court would. To affirm or deny is believable, but to claim not to remember is not, and to apologise is contradictory.
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No, he hasn't. Quite the opposite, actually. He said he had no recollection of it happening at all.
I disagree. No suspension of disbelief is required. Suspension of presumption of guilt is required, which some people can't do. Apologising isn't contradictory for the obvious reason I explained in the post you replied to.
There are three credible explanations for why he wouldn't recall it happening:
1) It happened and it wasn't important enough to him to remember it 30 years later. The importance of a clumsy drunken pass at a party decades ago is highly subjective.
2) It happened and at the time he was too drunk to form long term memories.
3) It didn't happen.
So his statement is entirely credible.
Here's a little further reading regarding how easily false memories are formed:
The classic "Bugs Bunny" experiment, in which 30% of unknowing test subjects formed false memories of having met a Bugs Bunny character at Disneyworld solely as a result of having read a fake Disney ad with Bugs Bunny in it. The percentage was increased to 40% by simply placing a cardboard cutout of Bugs Bunny in the same room without making any mention of it.
http://www.unisci.com/stories/20012/0613011.htm
For an example of the direct real world applications, consider the testimony of Anthony O'Grady and Sunny Khalsa. They both spoke to the New York Times directly after witnessing an incident in New York. They both remembered seeing a police officer murdering someone. Straightforward murder, no grey area - shot while running away, handcuffed, shot dead while in cuffs on the ground. That's what they independently remembered seeing, in testimony given very soon afterwards. It didn't happen. The whole thing was on video. The person was running, yes - after a police officer they were intending to kill with a hammer. Another police officer shot the person while they were in the process of carrying out the attempted murder. Also, the attacker wasn't killed, but that's a minor detail in this context.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/15/...er-attack-show-the-power-of-false-memory.html
It's very easy for false memories to be formed, even in someone who is not being specifically targetted. That's part of the purpose of propaganda - to create false memories. Black Lives Matter propaganda in that case, but it's worked for all sorts of ideologies. The literal witch hunts are the infamous example, but it's par for the course for many ideologies. "Me too" combined with presumption of guilt is the perfect mix for creating false memories without direct targeting, whatever the target group is in any given time or place. It creates an expectation, a source of power and attention and an outlet for one of the most powerful human drives - a sense of belonging to a group, to be "me too".
Also, of course, there's the possibility that the accuser is lying. People don't always tell the truth.
Those are credible reasons for why someone would not remember it, but his statement would simply then by summed up as, "I don't remember doing it, but it sounds like something I would do" which is pretty damning in itself and lends credence to the accuser.
So with Spacey implying it's something he would do in one hand, and the accusation in the other Spacey's statement is what lends me to believe his guilt. He indicts himself in the way no mere accusation can.
I would have to suspend my disbelief to believe his statement though, people just don't make statements like that apologising when they have any doubt they might be guilty.
False memory is a matter entirely unrelated to Spacey's credibility however.
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