Kolo Toure Suspended for Failed Drugs Test

mmj_uk said:
I don't understand why these highly paid footballers even risk touching cold remedies, it's not like a common cold is going to kill them... a contamination might have happened during manufacturing etc.
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No one has said its a cold remedy and infact the rumour so far is its a supplement.

Infact I do remember that physio/club doctor guy leaving by mutual consent last month and the whole situation surrounding it being very strange as no one either side would say what went wrong. which is exactly what you'd do when something like this happened.

if your club doctor/physio recommends a product and the player is done for a banned substance, literally no blame can be placed on the player, if the supplement has a list of ingredients and none are banned and the supplement lied about whats in it, that physio shouldn't be held completely accountable.


AFAIK football clubs will send entire batches of drugs every year as the regulations change to labs to have things tested for anything that can come up as bad, so things should but don't always get caught.


In Mutu's case, the cocaine isn't forgiveable, the second substance was something that was arbitrarily banned, had no performance enhancing effects and was an appetite supressor, hardly helping him bang the goals in.


There are rumours around of various drug use at various other clubs, theres a fairly strong rumour that Rooney's visit to Niketown in the states during the season was actually a few weeks away to avoid drug tests.

Arsenal had a rumour a few years back that an unnamed Arsenal player would fail a drug test and so almost dissappeared for 6 months, this was the season after Denilson's introduction to the league where he suddenly dissappeared, without injury, for over half a season so was heavily linked to it.

Makes you wonder how many long term injuries are really clubs avoiding the hell out of drug problems, getting people into rehab or giving time for their systems to be clean, probably happens WAY more than we think.
 
drunkenmaster said:
There are rumours around of various drug use at various other clubs, theres a fairly strong rumour that Rooney's visit to Niketown in the states during the season was actually a few weeks away to avoid drug tests.

Arsenal had a rumour a few years back that an unnamed Arsenal player would fail a drug test and so almost dissappeared for 6 months, this was the season after Denilson's introduction to the league where he suddenly dissappeared, without injury, for over half a season so was heavily linked to it.

Makes you wonder how many long term injuries are really clubs avoiding the hell out of drug problems, getting people into rehab or giving time for their systems to be clean, probably happens WAY more than we think.
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I refuse to rule out that you're talking out of your bottom / having a tin foil hat moment.

But I can't think of any other reason why our squad is so damn fragile.

Makes you think at worst....(can't believe I'm giving this credence tbh :p), how clubs 'know' that a certain player is about to be tested? Perhaps Ferdinand's forgetfulness is something they don't want a repeat of.
 
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Greenlizard0 said:
I refuse to rule out that you're talking out of your bottom / having a tin foil hat moment.

But I can't think of any other reason why our squad is so damn fragile.

Makes you think at worst....(can't believe I'm giving this credence tbh :p), how clubs 'know' that a certain player is about to be tested? Perhaps Ferdinand's forgetfulness is something they don't want a repeat of.
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doesn't it also make you think that if the testing mechanism is corrupt to the point of you knowing in advance when your player is due to be tested you probably wouldn't need to worry about the testing anyway?

Or that if this is such a perfectly guarded secret (over the last 8 or 9 years) how come drunkenmaster is hearing 'strong rumours' how many people know about this exactly? or is the source none other than a director of the club in question or their medical director? Odd that it should only surface on a couple of fan sites (this one really) who are they sourcing to exactly? doesn't seem to be much profit in it.

Seems very unlikely to me, coupled with the fact that Rooney for instance could have been tested in the US had the doping agency so chosen.
 
DanH84 said:
The b sample isn't even back yet. If it's a performance enhancer then he'll get a few months I guess but we'll see.

Innocent until b sample is in.
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You do realise there's probably a 0% chance that the B sample will test negative?

It is strange that they haven't said what he was tested positive for. Obviously got something to hide.
 
Viper² said:
You do realise there's probably a 0% chance that the B sample will test negative?

It is strange that they haven't said what he was tested positive for. Obviously got something to hide.
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These tests do throw up false positives, nothing gives 100% accuracy. That's why they take them in the first place. Considering the fact they apparently got rid of the physio and have released the statement then I'd say it's likely that something is afoot but it's important not to jump to conclusions.
 
Azza said:
Simon Mensing the Hamilton player was banned for 4 weeks... from January 29 to February 28. Clicky for full article




This could be a similar thing... Methylhexanamine was only added to the list from 2010, guessing other things were as well so if Toure has used stuff that is in high street medicines the club officials may have missed it by accident. On the other hand it could be something sinister, being a very high profile and wealthy person that Toure is.
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i use that stuff, its in Jack3d, a lot of people use it on this forum, it basically keeps you focused. Great for weightlifting.
 
Greenlizard0 said:
I refuse to rule out that you're talking out of your bottom / having a tin foil hat moment.

But I can't think of any other reason why our squad is so damn fragile.

Makes you think at worst....(can't believe I'm giving this credence tbh :p), how clubs 'know' that a certain player is about to be tested? Perhaps Ferdinand's forgetfulness is something they don't want a repeat of.
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hehe, it would excuse some players but no, we just have a daft manager, how many full 90 minutes has Cesc played since his last comeback, often against stupid opposition, and how often has he been rested despite repeatedly breaking down again with the same injury for over a year? A sane manager would never in a billion years played Cesc at Stoke, they are a, tackling team shall we say, a few days before Arsenals biggest game for years, laughable and utterly predictable outcome.

But no, there was a lot of suspicion over Denilson dissappearing for so long, mostly because I think he started getting a few games one year, dissappeared over summer and almost the entire year, no listed injury, no mention of him, he wasn't appearing for the reserves IIRC and this was when he actually looked great and promising as when he started he was a passing attacking demon, then after his long lay off he came back as a crap defensive midfielder :p

Also Dan, its not about corruption in knowing when they are going to test, its not like oh you're taking drugs, but you won't be tested for 4 weeks so we'll send you off in a few weeks. Its more like, you did what now, lets come up with an excuse that makes you less likely to be tested.

For one thing theres obviously less reason to test someone who isn't actually competing, secondly if someone is receiving treatment for injury they are often exempt from many medications anyway, well not exempt but you can take pain pills and things due to an injury and they won't count that against you. So theres not much point testing injured players.


It doesn't mean everyone with a long term injury is taking drugs, allowed or otherwise, not every injury is a cover up, I was just suggesting if one or two injuries are indeed cover ups, looking at just how many injuries there are to players, that I wouldn't be surprised if SOME yet still a very small amount aren't cover ups.
 
DanH84 said:
So potential guilt is now worse than actual guilt. Spot on.
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Providing a satisfactory explanation for missing the test is not given, any player that misses a test should be treated as if they failed it.

It's a valid point that spamalot makes. If you start handing out lesser punishments for those that miss their tests, players that expect to fail a drugs test would simply 'miss it'.

From what I remember being said at the time of the Ferdinand incident, it's nigh on impossible to 'miss' drugs tests anyway. IIRC, several ex-players said that the testers will escort you from the pitch/training ground and don't leave your side until you've produced a sample.
 
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