Kyle Rittenhouse - teen who shot three people in Kenosha

ANDREW GREEN · 27 Nov 2022 at 15:14

C Kent said:
It's quite simple, Tony thinks he was guilty of murder

He'd go down for murder in all European countries for the same offense and if he was illegally carrying he could have been found guilty in the US. US states without stand your ground law may also have seen him go down for murder.

Vulcan · 27 Nov 2022 at 16:10

NVP said:
Just to clarify, I still maintain the sensible option is to stay at home.

Caracus2k said:
So many weak and pathetic people in threads like this that would see the societies they live in weaken and collapse due to their craven passivity.

Indeed. Some men want to watch the world burn, not through active participation, just watching it at home.

NVP · 27 Nov 2022 at 16:14

Edit: Also, just popped into my head that I'm probably the only one in this thread with a weapons possession conviction

haha gotta love it

C Kent · 27 Nov 2022 at 16:50

ANDREW GREEN said:
He'd go down for murder in all European countries for the same offense and if he was illegally carrying he could have been found guilty in the US. US states without stand your ground law may also have seen him go down for murder.

And if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle

ANDREW GREEN · 27 Nov 2022 at 19:05

C Kent said:
And if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle

You're simply oblivious to ethics based on legal technicalities. In the past the law destroyed mens life because of their sexuality or religion, it does not make it right. Neither is right to carry a mass murdering machine in public in a hostile environment, or murdering someone mentally unstable who's angry at you for carrying a mass murdering machine and then murdering and maiming another for trying to apprehend you after you murdered someone. Before you say 'self defense', please realise self defense should be within necisity and not excessive.

dowie · 27 Nov 2022 at 19:31

NVP said:
That's the sensible option, armed vigilantes? LOL

I feel it is you that has not understood the reason for insurance, or are now going to dowiehole because you butt into a conversation without comprehending first.

Eh? What are you smoking, have you just totally misread what I said and had a brain fart:

dowie said:
Have the local police do their job.

You seem to have totally missed the point re: insurance too, you really are being a bit slow here.

Caracus2k · 27 Nov 2022 at 19:51

ANDREW GREEN said:
US states without stand your ground law may also have seen him go down for murder.

How can people still be quite so ignorant of basic facts about this case and still spout such nonsense?

Wisconsin isn't a 'stand your ground state' and even if it was it would be irrelevant because Rittenhouse wasn't trying to 'stand his ground' and was taking every reasonable opportunity to pull away from thoose in the mob trying to cause him harm

Would the Rittenhouse Verdict Be Different in a ‘Stand Your Ground' State?

Wisconsin — where Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed two men and was found not guilty on all counts after claiming self-defense — does not have “stand your ground” laws. But Georgia, where the Ahmaud Arbery murder trial is currently taking place, does.

www.lx.com

And I can guarantee you that anyone in the UK lawfully in possesion of a firearm (as Rittenhouse was in the US state he was in) would have a very good case of self defence in the same circumstances.

The only difference is the very different circumstances in which firearms can lawfully be held in the two countries. The self defence part is however very similair.

C Kent · 27 Nov 2022 at 19:54

ANDREW GREEN said:
You're simply oblivious to ethics based on legal technicalities. In the past the law destroyed mens life because of their sexuality or religion, it does not make it right. Neither is right to carry a mass murdering machine in public in a hostile environment, or murdering someone mentally unstable who's angry at you for carrying a mass murdering machine and then murdering and maiming another for trying to apprehend you after you murdered someone. Before you say 'self defense', please realise self defense should be within necisity and not excessive.

Given you've dressed up as someone trying to kill someone else for the simple act of being on the wrong side of the political fence as being 'angry', in addition to stating people either trying to stave someones head in with a block of wood or pulling a gun out and trying to murder someone as 'trying to apprehend' shows me you are coming into the debate from the position of someone who is intellectually dishonest. Then again, given your entire post history in the thread I'm not surprised in the least. As for the rest of the post, your point is moot, he was found not guilty as the killings happened in self-defense as much as that galls you.

Caracus2k · 27 Nov 2022 at 19:59

ANDREW GREEN said:
You're simply oblivious to ethics based on legal technicalities. In the past the law destroyed mens life because of their sexuality or religion, it does not make it right. Neither is right to carry a mass murdering machine in public in a hostile environment, or murdering someone mentally unstable who's angry at you for carrying a mass murdering machine and then murdering and maiming another for trying to apprehend you after you murdered someone. Before you say 'self defense', please realise self defense should be within necisity and not excessive.

The right to self defence is one if the oldest and most tested parts of English common law, which US law is based on.

It's not going anywhere cast and is open to all people regardless of their circumstances and is nothing like laws outlawing sexualities.

It's also irrelevant whether the person trying to attack you has mental health issues or not. It's the risk they pose to the person defending themselves that's the issue to be considered.

dowie · 27 Nov 2022 at 20:03

ANDREW GREEN said:
He'd go down for murder in all European countries for the same offense and if he was illegally carrying he could have been found guilty in the US. US states without stand your ground law may also have seen him go down for murder.

That makes no sense... He'd not be allowed to open carry a semi-auto rifle on the streets in most of Europe, you generally can however defend yourself when attacked.

People have used firearms to shoot in self defence in the UK and not been found guilty of murder.

Obviously, guns are rather rare here, there was a case a few years ago of a guy stabbing a burglar with a screwdriver, he was arrested but not even charged in the end as it was self defence. You don't need to have a stand-your-ground law in place in order to legally defend yourself from an attacker including using deadly force in extreme circumstances.

Obvs Rittenhouse was out on the streets with a rifle and people can say he shouldn't have been there but then again no one should have been there at that time at night... the fact is they were and it was legal for him to carry that rifle, when attacked and in fear of his life he's allowed to use it.

NVP · 27 Nov 2022 at 20:12

dowie said:
Eh?

You're the one who mentioned armed vigilates :confused:

Edit: OK I re-read, I get where I misunderstood.

dowie said:
What are you smoking

Strawberry Gelato, I highly recommend.

dowie said:
You seem to have totally missed the point re: insurance too

Me? I think I'm the only one who seems to understand what business insurance is for :cry:

Dis86 · 27 Nov 2022 at 20:19

NVP said:
That's the sensible option, armed vigilantes? LOL

I feel it is you that has not understood the reason for insurance, or are now going to dowiehole because you butt into a conversation without comprehending first.

Erm...did you read what was said? Because that ain't it!

Edit: just saw that no, no you didn't! :cry:

deuse · 1 Dec 2022 at 07:49

Tony Edwards said:
lol. You normal. Oh dear.

As I said it is clear he got off on technicalities but its done. You all know it and everyone else knows it.

Please show me these "technicalities " I'll wait.
Oh. And post proof and fact not hear say

C Kent · 1 Dec 2022 at 07:57

deuse said:
Please show me these "technicalities " I'll wait.

Judge, Jury and Law would be my guess

mrk · 1 Dec 2022 at 12:27

NVP said:
Edit: Also, just popped into my head that I'm probably the only one in this thread with a weapons possession conviction haha gotta love it

Big biceps don't count as weapons outside of the WWF though

plasmahal · 1 Dec 2022 at 16:03

Longbow said:
Indeed. Some men want to watch the world burn, not through active participation, just watching it at home.

But it's OK if they have insurance right? right???

mrk · 23 Nov 2023 at 14:10

He's back in the news... but this time not the reasons you think :cry:

Kyle Rittenhouse is being prepped for a career as a GOP 'political powerhouse': expert

Two years after he was acquitted of murdering two people during a police shooting protest in 2020, a strategist claims Kyle Rittenhouse looks to be preparing the ground to enter politics.Democratic strategist Max Burns says a new book by Rittenhouse, published this week and titled "Acquitted,"...

www.rawstory.com

A comment on reddit summed it up perfectly lol:

Lmao! He's too stupid to pull it off. Conservatives are dumb as a rule but Kyle is "needs a lifeguard to take a shower" dumb.

Efour · 23 Nov 2023 at 14:17

Pro gun celebrity. Probably gets 25% of votes by default.

Chuk_Chuk · 23 Nov 2023 at 14:26

mrk said:
He's back in the news... but this time not the reasons you think

Kyle Rittenhouse is being prepped for a career as a GOP 'political powerhouse': expert

Two years after he was acquitted of murdering two people during a police shooting protest in 2020, a strategist claims Kyle Rittenhouse looks to be preparing the ground to enter politics.Democratic strategist Max Burns says a new book by Rittenhouse, published this week and titled "Acquitted,"...

www.rawstory.com

A comment on reddit summed it up perfectly lol:

What a waste of time. Did you really bump this thread for this trash of an Op-ED? Did you read it? Ignoring the fact they for some reason they used his mugshot rather a recent photo, (very telling of the agenda of the publication) the entire basis for this is, I saw him talking to people therefore I speculate this is what is going to happen. Did the writer even try to easedrop on those conversations? Maybe there are more juicy details in the full op-ed but my assumption is that this website took the best bits from the op-ed.

Ironic that have a quote claiming he is desperate to stay relevant, all while publishing this useless Op-ED based on speculation in attempt to stay relevant. Though judging by the fact that it appears to have been popular on reddit, it worked.

mrk · 23 Nov 2023 at 14:35

Chuk_Chuk said:
What a waste of time. Did you really bump this thread for this trash of an Op-ED? Did you read it? Ignoring the fact they for some reason they used his mugshot rather a recent photo, (very telling of the agenda of the publication) the entire basis for this is, I saw him talking to people therefore I speculate this is what is going to happen. Did the writer even try to easedrop on those conversations? Maybe there are more juicy details in the full op-ed but my assumption is that this website took the best bits from the op-ed.

Ironic that have a quote claiming he is desperate to stay relevant, all while publishing this useless Op-ED based on speculation in attempt to stay relevant. Though judging by the fact that it appears to have been popular on reddit, it worked.

Oh it's you, that gave a good chuckle, thanks.

Let's see the actual words eh:

Two years after he was acquitted of murdering two people during a police shooting protest in 2020, a strategist claims Kyle Rittenhouse looks to be preparing the ground to enter politics.

Democratic strategist Max Burns says a new book by Rittenhouse, published this week and titled "Acquitted," is less about sharing his experience — and more about Republicans trying to launch him into a political career.

Burn says a recent Rittenhouse appearance with Tucker Carlson and his palling around with GOP "money men" shows he "appears to be already preparing the country for an eventual political debut."

"Rittenhouse’s new memoir isn’t a desperate attempt to remain relevant. It’s more like the opening charge of a well-funded public relations campaign designed to build Rittenhouse’s personal brand into a political powerhouse," Burns writes.

Let's see who Max Burns is:

Max Burns is the founder and executive client lead at Third Degree Strategies, a boutique consulting firm that specializes in designing and deploying issue advocacy and reputational campaigns for corporate, nonprofit, and political clients. With over 15 years of experience in strategic communications, media relations, and media appearances, he has built a record of campaign success across various sectors and levels of government.

In 2019, he received the PRSA Exceptional Communicator Under 35 Award for his work to end immigrant family separation and mass incarceration as the Head of Communications for Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights, a complex humanitarian nonprofit. Max is passionate about advancing social justice, human rights, and democracy through effective and ethical communication. He holds a B.A. in Government from George Mason University and an M.A. in Media and Public Affairs from The George Washington University.

So the term "expert" is very valid for him, given his reputation and credits. His view is what most would call sound based on his 15yr career expertise in this very area.

Meanwhile, this isn't the first time it's been said that Republicans have been eyeing Rittenhouse for a political angle, Even as far back as 2021 were various media all over writing about it, one such example from Guardian:

Why Republicans are embracing Kyle Rittenhouse as their mascot

Congress members float the idea of offering the 18-year-old internships as experts say their use of him is ‘a very dangerous thing’

www.theguardian.com

So yeah, it doesn't take a physicist to piece bits together in the grand scheme of things. Unless mental gymnastics is your thing.... Back to thedonald you go I guess.