Kyle Rittenhouse - teen who shot three people in Kenosha

Werewolf said:
There is a thing called hearing the evidence.

You hear it at the trial and see what the witnesses say.
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Witnesses didn't seem to be too relevant there, was Kyle aged 17 and was the rifle barrel over or under 16 inches are matters of fact.

The law seems to be very badly written but it turns out Kyle had a better knowledge of that particular law than the prosecutor!

edit - prosecutor seems a bit clueless re: firearms:

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Energize said:
So the judge finally dismissed the gun charges, Jesus, this trial should have been over last week but he has been dragging his heels on every little matter, the defence have totally failed as well in objecting to all the bs the prosecution were putting out.

36 pages of jury instructions. Who wants to put bets on how long the jury takes to deliberate?
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The defence have been terrible throughout the trial imo
 
C Kent said:
The defence have been terrible throughout the trial imo
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The only good point has been the rhetoric today in his closing arguments... he knows he's got relatively little to work with but he has a chance and he's going to try his best with the provocation angle and he's milking it hard.

The witnesses he had might as well have been defence witnesses at some points, he didn't present any evidence for the curfew charge and the firearms charge was a total mess, he literally got schooled on the correct interpretation of the law by the defendant on the stand, an 18-year-old kid only to later have the charge dismissed by the judge.

His witness/third person shot dropped a bombshell admitting he pointed his gun first. That the first guy was a paedo wasn't allowed but the prosecutor managed to allow in stuff about his meds...

It's basically the second person shot and the reckless charge relating to the jump kick person that might be riskiest for a charge though they also went with the strongest charge there for the second person shot, not sure that will fly... perhaps why they're bringing in lesser ones.

These charges were filed within like 48 hours and they basically didn't have the facts, it seems very political, a response to public outrage.
 
The last shooting incident is just BS - the first encounter he doesn't have a gun drawn, Kyle tells him he's going to the police, the second encounter he has his gun drawn (one in the chamber), the other hand has a phone in it he feigns a surrender, Kyle lowers his rifle then he takes aim at Kyle and gets shot... admitted on the stand that Kyle didn't shoot him until he pointed gun at him. Admits to his friend that he regretted not unloading the clip into Kyle.
 
dowie said:
Witnesses didn't seem to be too relevant there, was Kyle aged 17 and was the rifle barrel over or under 16 inches are matters of fact.

The law seems to be very badly written but it turns out Kyle had a better knowledge of that particular law than the prosecutor!

edit - prosecutor seems a bit clueless re: firearms:

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For us non gun nuts what is him holding that rifle meant to show? Whys it red ringed? His finger is on the trigger? thats bad discipline ? (am i a gun nut)
 
Efour said:
For us non gun nuts what is him holding that rifle meant to show? Whys it red ringed? His finger is on the trigger? thats bad discipline ? (am i a gun nut)
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from what I heard he literally pointed it at the jury with his finger on the trigger. Basically braking the first two rules of gun safety, even if you think the firearm is clear.
 
Efour said:
For us non gun nuts what is him holding that rifle meant to show? Whys it red ringed? His finger is on the trigger? thats bad discipline ? (am i a gun nut)
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You don't need to be a gun nut to know you never ever point a gun at someone and you definitely don't have your finger on the trigger.
 
Efour said:
For us non gun nuts what is him holding that rifle meant to show? Whys it red ringed? His finger is on the trigger? thats bad discipline ? (am i a gun nut)
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Just a bit of humour, yes no reason for his finger to be on the trigger, he's a numpty... Obvs they were quite thorough in checking the rifle and being seen to show it had been checked in court so he didn't Baldwin anyone.
 
dowie said:
Just a bit of humour, yes no reason for his finger to be on the trigger, he's a numpty... Obvs they were quite thorough in checking the rifle and being seen to show it had been checked in court so he didn't Baldwin anyone.
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Just seen your sig, thats fantastic! Also lol at the trigger discipline meme.
 
The national guard are on standby, looks like they are ready for this to get messy. I honestly have no idea which way it goes the trial is a mess the local gun laws terribly written and the politics surrounding the case make it a potential powder keg. Makes me very grateful to live in a country where only a tiny minority have any access to fire arms and the idea of 17 year old kids taking to the streets with rifles seems more like a dystopian fantasy than an every day reality.
 
a1ex2001 said:
The national guard are on standby, looks like they are ready for this to get messy. I honestly have no idea which way it goes the trial is a mess the local gun laws terribly written and the politics surrounding the case make it a potential powder keg. Makes me very grateful to live in a country where only a tiny minority have any access to fire arms and the idea of 17 year old kids taking to the streets with rifles seems more like a dystopian fantasy than an every day reality.
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The difference between the US and UK is that the UK is less divided whilst people aren't calling each other scum in Parliament
 
Roar87 said:
The difference between the US and UK is that the UK is less divided whilst people aren't calling each other scum in Parliament
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And in the UK the only people at a protest carrying guns 99% of the time are the police so the potential to get carried away and shoot a few people is limited to the highly trained specialists.
 
Caracus2k said:
I think the Jury will convict him of some of the lesser stuff the prosecution have been allowed to shove in at the last moment.

Many on the jury will be worried about the quite likely doxing and harassment they will receive if KR walks a free man
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Quite plausible he could walk on all charges but the riskiest seems to be the skateboard + dropkick guy in the second shooting incident. A lesser felony is still a felony and in the US that can be quite a sentence still. I guess if he cops a lesser charge or two then they appeal and go for a mistrial, the judge didn't say too much/stopped himself but bringing up defendant's right to silence was bad... I mean what next; the defendant has hired a lawyer, must have something to hide?

The trial is very political, they've got the national guard on standby and some of the rioters were present in the courtroom.
 
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