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Seems reasonable. I'm not going to pretend I understand the all intricacies of particle physics though
Essentially my professor said that while incredibly unlikely, the formation of strangelets can't be absolutely ruled out, unlike the FUD surrounding micro black holes.
It's not turned on untill September
Or am i wrong.
No you're right; they're not going to be crunching protons until September.
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Oh, okay. I must have mis-read an earlier post.
If we entered a black hole, could we actually transition from space time to time space?
From the various scientific and fringe stuff i've come across in my time i reckon theres a possibility, first 2012 is predicted to be an event and many possibilities seem to exist for it, that means either no one knows and is just guessing or its some point in space time where things change and all possibilities can happen.
Black holes are not well understood but are probably like an inversion of space time, perhaps its time space on the other side which can give rise to infinite possibilities, an observer supposedly has some effect on reality in quantum physics so if the human being enters, then due to the quantum physics all events can happen and will if the observer chooses consciously or subconsciously.
Ideas like the technological singularity and time wave zero suggest an event could happen, maybe even should happen given time, perhaps in 2012 after the machine has been on for sometime one or more black holes will collect within the earth and grow in size to change us from space time to time space where all possibilities are created by the observer.
What do you think?
From the various scientific and fringe stuff i've come across in my time i reckon theres a possibility, first 2012 is predicted to be an event and many possibilities seem to exist for it, that means either no one knows and is just guessing or its some point in space time where things change and all possibilities can happen.
Black holes are not well understood but are probably like an inversion of space time, perhaps its time space on the other side which can give rise to infinite possibilities, an observer supposedly has some effect on reality in quantum physics so if the human being enters, then due to the quantum physics all events can happen and will if the observer chooses consciously or subconsciously.
Ideas like the technological singularity and time wave zero suggest an event could happen, maybe even should happen given time, perhaps in 2012 after the machine has been on for sometime one or more black holes will collect within the earth and grow in size to change us from space time to time space where all possibilities are created by the observer.
What do you think?
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That rap was very informative indeed - would be awesome to go visit that place - cycling around the 27km tunnel must be fun - if no ones in your way you could really hit some speed!
If black holes can be created and if black holes don't evaporate (bare in mind that the theory that exists that says they might be created also says that they must evaporate, there is no theory that says they will be created and stable) gravitated to the centre of the Earth, the acceretion time would be about 5 million years. They would "eat" matter that slowly.
So, in effect, what you're talking about is very close to impossible.
CERN has a launch party planned for October 21st, which is about the rough time they will start actually colliding particles.
It won't be for a while til it hits full power, though.
The lhc might spit out loads of black holes at these energy levels and beam intensity, it might be exponential once you start with a few.
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You have to have misread something somewhere. They are the defendants. The US has donated money to the LHC and Femilab supplied parts.
The particle collider that was going to be built in the US prior to the LHC would have been much, much more powerful. But congress pulled the funding.
The people who have filed the court case are Walter Wagner, a nuclear saftey officer and Lucio Sanchez, a very fringe physics dude. They tried the same with with the RHIC.
The US government have called for a summary dismissal of the case.
It might, yes. But the chances are beyond slim. It won't be exponential, otherwise denser bodies (neutron stars and white dwarfs etc) in the universe would have problems through the same mechanism you're talking about.
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Haha! I'm not. You're actually right, thats when they start circulating beams. I just wanted to say that CERN are chucking a huge party when the first collisions happen.
It's all very exciting.
Ok but what about the effects of this kind of black hole, as it could only have the earths mavity at most and would take time to suck everything in, would things be ripped apart or would there be time for matter to be compressed first without quite as much destructiveness as you would expect, also what about a possible change from space time to time space?
Yeah, it would take time to suck everything in. It'd take about 5 million years, as I said. That is, of course, if it's even possible in the first place. Things would be spaghettified. Which, I presume, would be no fun at all.
I can't say I've ever heard of "time space", though. I'm not expert here, but I've never come across the term. Either way, no one knows what could happen because a black hole has never been seen...
I think it would happen a lot quicker than 5 million years when you take time dilation into account, perhaps to an outside observer it would take that long but to us it should be much quicker, we won't know at first so the lhc may well build them up in the earth without ever knowing to stop, remember theres no guarantees hawking radiation will work fast enough if at all, if you invert space time then it seems possible your get time space but of course no one knows for sure what happens in a black hole, the whole universe could be within one for all we know, all just theories and ideas though.
If it were going to happen at all, we'd already have observed the same scenario in nature. Cosmic rays have been bombarding the Earth for millions of years without incident. If you want to bring relativistic speed into it, these rays have also been bombarding much denser objects in the universe too, and still there has been no sign of anything happening.
There is no guarantee about Hawking Radiation, that is correct. But Hawking Radiation is not the only factor that would be involved in the evaporation of black holes. They would wink out of existence through CPT Symmetry too.
Read this if you want to understand why 5 million years is correct, or even why it could not happen at all. Or, if you want to see the full report, calculations and all, that can be seen right here. I say 5 million years because that's how slow it would accerate matter.
Thinking about it spaghettification is doubtful, take time dilation, things within experience time like normal, space would be the same, if mavity is the bending of space, things within would be ok but may appear to be stretching, i doubt things would tear apart because as space is stretching so to is everything else but not in a destructive way otherwise the universe expanding would have a similar effect surely?
Everything is basically being compressed into a singularity though, so it's a lot of matter being compressed into an extremely small space all at the same time. The gravitational force is huge.
As explained in the wiki link:
All matter is being forced by mavity into a tiny point. No one knows for sure, though. But that seems to be the most acceptable explanation right now.