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Large Hadron Collider
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Is it possible for this experiment to be any more boring. They leaked a load of crap to the media that the world would be sucked into a black hole, at the worldwide expose, all they did was send a few beams around the ring. Woopdedoo.
I bet you all that in about 10 years or so they will ask for more money to further their research, after all this is the second incarnation of the collider. What about a cure for cancer, warp drive or teleportation fellas? For the money, I would expect nothing less.
I bet you all that in about 10 years or so they will ask for more money to further their research, after all this is the second incarnation of the collider. What about a cure for cancer, warp drive or teleportation fellas? For the money, I would expect nothing less.
They didn't 'leak' a load of crap about black hole being created that would destroy the world. This could well be the most important scientific experiment we've ever done, the scientists involved aren't sitting around all day thinking of stuff to make up in order to get their name in the paper!!!
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Its later on today they actually do the test (20th)
So good bye all just incase
So good bye all just incase
No, they sit around all day thinking about ways of getting another grant; and in this case a ******* big one.
Its later on today they actually do the test (20th)
So good bye all just incase
It wasn't going to be today and even if it were it wont be now
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7626256.stm
So because the world wasn't destroyed it's a boring experiment, i like your logic
The LHC and ITER are probably the 2 most most exciting and important science experiments that will happen in our lifetimes, whatever you might think
They need the grants to do their work! It's not like the money goes in their pockets. Infact they get paid pretty poorly for what they do.
So because the world wasn't destroyed it's a boring experiment, i like your logic
The LHC and ITER are probably the 2 most most exciting and important science experiments that will happen in our lifetimes, whatever you might think
No, I am actually quite glad the world was not swallowed in a black hole (not that there was ever a chance of that happening). What I am annoyed about is the massive media frenzy, instigated by managers of the experiment, about nothing more than a test run. All they did was align the beams, nothing else.
Seriously, were the good people of the world asked if we would like to spend our money on Cern. Perhaps we would have liked our taxes to be spent elsewhere? On more tangible things that improve the lives of people but no, it seems frivolous experiments that do nothing except boost the egos of academics are more important
I am not anti progress, I am just underwhelmed by the whole experiment. Will they discover a method of pollution free cold fusion - no. Will they invent warp drive - no. Will they prove the existence of a god - certainly not. Will they prove the equations they made up whilst studying for their Phd - no. However, if you give them another £5 Billion then the scientists don't have to get a real job for at least 20 years as they can plan and build the next version. I absolutely guarantee that this one won't be big enough or some such crap and they will need more of our money to build the next great experiment. We need to get a grip on reality as a species, we really do.
Firstly the well reported media coverage is a positive thing, it generates excitement about physics and even helps educate people a little. Surely you can agree this a is a positive thing?
The Sun newspaper style bull**** coverage has ****ed me off as much as it has you but do you really think the physicists involved with the LHC tried to spread word of the world ending just to get their name in the paper? Of course not. The tabloids just conveniently chose to ignore the safety reports and stir up unrest about nothing to sell a few extra papers
This is a bit of a nonsense argument, if you asked everyone in Europe what they would like €6billion spent on they would all have a different and probably selfish opinions - this is why we have governments to decide. It's also ignoring the fact that a large amount of the funding was private anyway
EDIT\ here's another way to look at it, that €6billion where do you think it went? Into thin air? It went back into the European economy by means of jobs, materials etc.. and I've no doubt the building of the detectors has also helped improve engineering processes and contributed to the training hundred of students from all fields of science, engineering and IT. Bleurgh i can't help but think you're being very narrow minded
I am not anti progress, I am just underwhelmed by the whole experiment. Will they discover a method of pollution free cold fusion - no. Will they invent warp drive - no. Will they prove the existence of a god - certainly not. Will they prove the equations they made up whilst studying for their Phd - no. However, if you give them another £5 Billion then the scientists don't have to get a real job for at least 20 years as they can plan and build the next version. I absolutely guarantee that this one won't be big enough or some such crap and they will need more of our money to build the next great experiment. We need to get a grip on reality as a species, we really do.
I don't even know where to start with this :/
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...We need to get a grip on reality as a species, we really do.
One of the points of this experiment was it not?
Besides, they won't be doing the high energy collision stuff (Sorry for the techo speak but it's very late at night) until sometime next year won't they? All they've done at this stage is made a few protons do some laps of the ring.
The media frenzy was in no way instigated by the people involved with the LHC. All i've ever heard in any comments/statements from them (and I've read a lot) have stated the facts as best they know them. The whole world ending thing was just a media concoction.
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And this is exactly why the people weren't asked whether we should contribute towards the LHC. To say this experiment will provide nothing tangible only proves you have absolutely no idea of what they're doing and the implications discoveries made here could have on our lives.
AJUK said:I am not anti progress, I am just underwhelmed by the whole experiment. Will they discover a method of pollution free cold fusion - no. Will they invent warp drive - no. Will they prove the existence of a god - certainly not. Will they prove the equations they made up whilst studying for their Phd - no. However, if you give them another £5 Billion then the scientists don't have to get a real job for at least 20 years as they can plan and build the next version. I absolutely guarantee that this one won't be big enough or some such crap and they will need more of our money to build the next great experiment. We need to get a grip on reality as a species, we really do.
How do you know that this experiment won't lead to pollution free cold fusion? The experiments at the LHC will one way or another give us a far greater understanding of exactly what is going on behind the scenes as it were in our Universe. There's no telling what this knowledge will help us do.
You're right in that a several years time using the knowledge gained from this and other experiments they'll most likely want to build another collider, but that's what progression is all about. We improve over time! On that day that we know everything there is to know about the Universe we can stop spending money on experiments like this, but until then they will continue (unless we're wiped out by a black hole
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Correct but I think AJUK realised this, he just seems to think that the scientists felt they weren't getting enough media coverage so they went and told everyone they were going to destroy the world by turning it on.
We'll never have warp drive, in Star Trek they could travel much faster than speed of light no? Thats impossible in real life.
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and you know this how?
Many things are considered impossible until it is proven wrong. while speed of light is a big one you are not all knowing.
Einstein knew his theory's were not correct, otherwise why did he spend the latter part of his life trying to find another?
4billion is worth the price imo. there are several major unknowns in particle physics. I am no expert but they can't fully explain mavity or mass properly in atoms, this Higgs boson will explain it if they find it. It could very well lead to loads of crazy scifi shizzle.
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No, I am actually quite glad the world was not swallowed in a black hole (not that there was ever a chance of that happening). What I am annoyed about is the massive media frenzy, instigated by managers of the experiment, about nothing more than a test run. All they did was align the beams, nothing else.
Seriously, were the good people of the world asked if we would like to spend our money on Cern. Perhaps we would have liked our taxes to be spent elsewhere? On more tangible things that improve the lives of people but no, it seems frivolous experiments that do nothing except boost the egos of academics are more important
I am not anti progress, I am just underwhelmed by the whole experiment. Will they discover a method of pollution free cold fusion - no. Will they invent warp drive - no. Will they prove the existence of a god - certainly not. Will they prove the equations they made up whilst studying for their Phd - no. However, if you give them another £5 Billion then the scientists don't have to get a real job for at least 20 years as they can plan and build the next version. I absolutely guarantee that this one won't be big enough or some such crap and they will need more of our money to build the next great experiment. We need to get a grip on reality as a species, we really do.
What worries me most, is I think you're being serious.