Laurence Fox

[Tony Edwards]

So. Has anyone seen any recent public appearances by our new lord and saviour/god emperor Laurence? There were a few a couple of weeks back when the his political plans were leaked/Reclaim was set up, but it's gone a bit cold it seems. I don't open twitter unless clicking a link from elsewhere anymore so I haven't bene keeping an eye on his activity.

I slightly feel a bit sorry for him actually.

No I take that back Ive just read the homepage. He really is a pompous prat. UKIP of culture indeed.

https://www.reclaimparty.co.uk/

Laurence Fox
Over many years it has become clear that our politicians have lost touch with the people they represent and govern. Moreover, our public institutions now work to an agenda beyond their main purpose.

Our modern United Kingdom was born out of the respectful inclusion of so many individual voices. It is steeped in the innate values of families and communities, diverse in the truest sense but united in the want and need to call this island home.

The people of the United Kingdom are tired of being told that we represent the very thing we have, in history, stood together against.

We are all privileged to be the custodians of our shared heritage. We can reclaim a respectful nation where all are included and none are ashamed to have somewhere to call home.

I have been so encouraged by the support I have received by those wishing to add their voices to this reclamation of our values.

Our country is now in desperate need of a new political movement which promises to make our future a shared endeavour, not a divisive one.

This is now my endeavour.

 

[Zefan]

https://www.reclaimparty.co.uk/

Laurence Fox
Over many years it has become clear that our politicians have lost touch with the people they represent and govern. Moreover, our public institutions now work to an agenda beyond their main purpose.

Our modern United Kingdom was born out of the respectful inclusion of so many individual voices. It is steeped in the innate values of families and communities, diverse in the truest sense but united in the want and need to call this island home.

The people of the United Kingdom are tired of being told that we represent the very thing we have, in history, stood together against.

We are all privileged to be the custodians of our shared heritage. We can reclaim a respectful nation where all are included and none are ashamed to have somewhere to call home.

I have been so encouraged by the support I have received by those wishing to add their voices to this reclamation of our values.

Our country is now in desperate need of a new political movement which promises to make our future a shared endeavour, not a divisive one.

This is now my endeavour.

What part of that do you disagree with?

 

[Tony Edwards]

What part of that do you disagree with?

Its not so much disgree as it doesnt really say anything its the ambiguity that gets me.

Our country is now in desperate need of a new political movement which promises to make our future a shared endeavour, not a divisive one.

I mean divisive for who? How is most of what he has said on twitter QT and such not divisive to certain groups?

Its just blue sky thinking, thinking outside the box, going forward, joined up thinking nonsense.

As others have said ILL wait until some policies come out before I make a final decision.

 

[Zefan]

How is most of what he has said on twitter QT and such not divisive to certain groups?

Care to give even a single example of these obviously divisive utterances?

As others have said ILL wait until some policies come out before I make a final decision.

I refer you to the below quote:

He really is a pompous prat.

... Yeah, you're really waiting to make judgement aren't you? It's a good thing your emotions and masculinity are perfectly in tune or you might jump to emotionally driven, aggressive conclusion based on limited information whilst simultaneously pretending to be fair by saying you'll wait for more.

 

[james.miller]

Oh, hai again thread!

You lot can try and bully me or call me racist or what ever as much as you want but Im a big boy I can take it.

I mean you haven't been bullied. Not unless 'bullying' now means 'just give us a stright answer to s straight question'. But whatever, 24 hours later you now say this:

No Zefan Im saying you and some of the other merry men could probably do with some of it despite thinking they are in control of themself. I think what right wingers are missing is some healthy masculinity and maybe some empathy rolled in.

This false bravado and the need to gang up and try to beilttle others they perceive as outsiders is a slow killer. Its why suicide rates are so high. My emotions and masculinity are perfectly in tune .

It's really fascinating, watching you implode and call foul after the nonsense you said about Fox. Where's your broad shoulders now, Tone?

 

[Tony Edwards]

Care to give even a single example of these obviously divisive utterances?

Well the Sainsbury thing wasnt well thought out for a start. Im sure he cant help it but if one side says something is racist (for instance) and the other says it isnt, isnt that in its self divisive? He is telling people to know their place for gods sake.

A final decision on his party. Ive already made my mind up about him.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Oh, hai again thread!

I mean you haven't been bullied. Not unless 'bullying' now means 'just give us a stright answer to s straight question'. But whatever, 24 hours later you now say this:


It's really fascinating, watching you implode and call foul after the nonsense you said about Fox. Where's your broad shoulders now, Tone?

One mans nonsense is another fools dream. Ive got to say James I find your stuff hard to follow. Ive said why I think Fox is dangerous and now Ive said why I think he is a pompous prat.

Ive not called foul about anything. That is in your head. I meant trying to bully, it wasnt trying to get a straight answer because there can be none for you if you cant already see it.

Ive not reported any childish outburst posts. Unlike any of you would have done. I bet your finger hovers over the report button everytime I post something.

 

[james.miller]

LOL.

One mans nonsense is another fools dream. Ive got to say James I find your stuff hard to follow. Ive said why I think Fox is dangerous and now Ive said why I think he is a pompous prat.

Ive not called foul about anything. That is in your head. I meant trying to bully, it wasnt trying to get a straight answer because there can be none for you if you cant already see it.

Ive not reported any childish outburst posts. Unlike any of you would have done. I bet your finger hovers over the report button everytime I post something.

You're giving youself too much credit Tony. Your posts arent offensive enough to report. They're just sad.

 

[Tony Edwards]

LOL.


You're giving youself too much credit Tony. Your posts arent offensive enough to report. They're just sad.

Your sad!

 

[james.miller]

Whoa big boy, don't know how your going to top that one!

No let's be very clear; I stand by what i said - i truly feel sorry for you if your posts honestly reflect how you feel. Despite Lawrence Fox never saying anything negative about BLM, or any race, or colour, you refuse to accept it. Instead you move from knowing NOTHING about him and calling him a racist, and the people who agree with him 'racists', to calling him divisive, as if it's his fault he's said something a group of people have misinterpreted. A group you're a part of. And you know what, I haven't the faintest idea WHY. WHY do you do it, Tony? why is it that when there are a group of people who understand what Fox said, who are capable of looking behind the clickbait malicious headlines at the real content, why is it 'divisive' just because you don't understand the subject matter? It's almost as if you want there to be a divide, as if it's easier to have somebody to focus your negative energy on than have something to focus the positive on. You want it, don't you Tony?

And that's the problem. You've even quoted Fox saying he wants to end the division, to make the future a shared endeavour. And what's your take on it? He's a 'pompous prat'. Because it's easier for you to oppose the white man than agree with his ideals, right? Why else would you come to that conclusion?

And yes, i feel sorry for people like you. skin colour should never be an issue. In any context, in any situation. But it is, not because of people like me, or people like Fox, but because of people like you - people who just wont let anyone else move past it.

 

[Angilion]

I'm very much a centrist, but OK. [..]

And I'm a lefty. I think Tony Edwards is talking nasty rubbish.

I particularly liked the bits he wrote about phrases such as "respectful inclusion", "diverse in the truest sense but united", "custodians of our shared heritage", "a respectful nation where all are included" and "shared endeavour" are divisive.

I suppose he's right in the sense that it divides people who favour the equality, diversity, tolerance and liberalism expressed by those phrases and the authoritarian divisive bigots who have infected and corrupted those words into the opposite of what they mean in a propaganda campaign that would leave Minitru in awe.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Whoa big boy, don't know how your going to top that one!

No let's be very clear; I stand by what i said - i truly feel sorry for you if your posts honestly reflect how you feel. Despite Lawrence Fox never saying anything negative about BLM, or any race, or colour, you refuse to accept it. Instead you move from knowing NOTHING about him and calling him a racist, and the people who agree with him 'racists', to calling him divisive, as if it's his fault he's said something a group of people have misinterpreted. A group you're a part of. And you know what, I haven't the faintest idea WHY. WHY do you do it, Tony? why is it that when there are a group of people who understand what Fox said, who are capable of looking behind the clickbait malicious headlines at the real content, why is it 'divisive' just because you don't understand the subject matter? It's almost as if you want there to be a divide, as if it's easier to have somebody to focus your negative energy on than have something to focus the positive on. You want it, don't you Tony?

And that's the problem. You've even quoted Fox saying he wants to end the division, to make the future a shared endeavour. And what's your take on it? He's a 'pompous prat'. Because it's easier for you to oppose the white man than agree with his ideals, right? Why else would you come to that conclusion?

And yes, i feel sorry for people like you. skin colour should never be an issue. In any context, in any situation. But it is, not because of people like me, or people like Fox, but because of people like you - people who just wont let anyone else move past it.

The only true thing you said there is skin colour should never be an issue.

Lets talk about him saying

The people of the United Kingdom are tired of being told that we represent the very thing we have, in history, stood together against.

He is talking about the things activists have accomplished. Not things that Great Britain has done for the better of its citizens.

Activists have made those good things we uphold. Womens vote, democracy, anti racism, benefits, National health service, age of sexual consent, being gay not being a criminal offence. These are things activists have fought to get us and you can guarantee they had massive obstacles to overcome

End to slavery?

Slavery Abolition Act, (1833), in British history, act of Parliament that abolished slavery in most British colonies, freeing more than 800,000 enslaved Africans in the Caribbean and South Africa as well as a small number in Canada. It received Royal Assent on August 28, 1833, and took effect on August 1, 1834.

Background

Several factors led to the Act’s passage. Britain’s economy was in flux at the time, and, as a new system of international commerce emerged, its slaveholding Caribbean colonies—which were largely focused on sugar production—could no longer compete with larger plantation economies such as those of Cuba and Brazil. Merchants began to demand an end to the monopolies on the British market held by the Caribbean colonies and pushed instead for free trade. The persistent struggles of enslaved Africans and a growing fear of slave uprisings among plantation owners were another major factor.

Legal challenges to slavery in British North America
British abolitionists had actively opposed the transatlantic trade in African people since the 1770s. (Several abolitionist petitions organized in 1833 alone collectively garnered the support of 1.3 million signatories.) Such antislavery views spread to Upper Canada (later Canada West), influencing the passage there of the 1793 Act to Limit Slavery, the first such legislation in the British colonies.

In the eastern colonies of Lower Canada (what is now Québec), Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick, however, abolitionist attempts had been unsuccessful. In 1793, for instance, Pierre-Louis Panet introduced a bill to the National Assembly to abolish enslavement in Lower Canada, but the bill languished over several sessions and never came to a vote.

Come on these things were actions by people just like BLM. You need to understand your own history to really talk about it.

The age of consent in the UK happened because of one women horrified by child brothels and the gentry that used them.

And I'm a lefty. I think Tony Edwards is talking nasty rubbish.

I particularly liked the bits he wrote about phrases such as "respectful inclusion", "diverse in the truest sense but united", "custodians of our shared heritage", "a respectful nation where all are included" and "shared endeavour" are divisive.

I suppose he's right in the sense that it divides people who favour the equality, diversity, tolerance and liberalism expressed by those phrases and the authoritarian divisive bigots who have infected and corrupted those words into the opposite of what they mean in a propaganda campaign that would leave Minitru in awe.

Respectful inclusion as long as everyone does what he thinks is right. Thats not really inclusion. Lets take statues of slave traders? Do we really need them and should they still be up? Is that shared inclusion?

 

[Mr Oblong]

The only true thing you said there is skin colour should never be an issue.

Lets talk about him saying He is talking about the things activists have accomplished. Not things that Great Britain has done for the better of its citizens.

Activists have made those good things we uphold. Womens vote, democracy, anti racism, benefits, National health service, age of sexual consent, being gay not being a criminal offence. These are things activists have fought to get us and you can guarantee they had massive obstacles to overcome

End to slavery?
Come on these things were actions by people just like BLM. You need to understand your own history to really talk about it.

The age of consent in the UK happened because of one women horrified by child brothels and the gentry that used them.

Good point, well made.

The Laurence Foxes of those days were anti-progress eye rollers saying things like "They want the vote too? Haven't we done enough?"

The Laurence Foxes of 100 years from now will be taking credit for BLM, trans rights, green energy and leaving the tea bag in for at least 5 minutes.

It's weird. Only being for progress long after it's happened.

 

[Roar87]

Well Im not living in the 1950s so its slightly different

What's different, have you grown a vagina? Women are still attracted to masculine qualities in men, just as we men are attracted to femininity in women.

 

[ImOffended]

I slightly feel a bit sorry for him actually.

No I take that back Ive just read the homepage. He really is a pompous prat. UKIP of culture indeed.

https://www.reclaimparty.co.uk/

This is shocking Tony Edwards. You are as angry as when I saw post on twitter of you raging.
Mr Fox is a good person who loves the British values. That is a good thing. Because when it has gone, you can’t go back. I use Amsterdam for example. It’s not very nice now. Most natives move away from them because of attitudes of people there. Attitudes like this Tony. It never works.

 

[ImOffended]

Unless you are over 40 Ive been fighting against racist since before you were born. Granted things arent as bad as they were but its coming back.

I am little shocked you are that old. Your posts mirror a much younger university graduate. How did you obtain such detailed left wing views ? It usually happens in educational system.

 

[i-bert]

Unless you are over 40 Ive been fighting against racist since before you were born. Granted things arent as bad as they were but its coming back.

Yet you have people of colour on here telling you that you're making it worse. Who's telling you that you're making a difference, your woke mates?

 

[Tony Edwards]

I am little shocked you are that old. Your posts mirror a much younger university graduate. How did you obtain such detailed left wing views ? It usually happens in educational system.

Oh, you are one of those people. Are you Mcstylist by any chance?

Yet you have people of colour on here telling you that you're making it worse. Who's telling you that you're making a difference, your woke mates?

If NVP wants to stand with people like you thats up to him really. Im not looking to make a difference and certainly not on here.

 

[NVP]

If NVP wants to stand with people like you thats up to him really. Im not looking to make a difference and certainly not on here.

It is always factions, yes? Sides, rivals, odds... "don't categorise me as just a black person but I will label you all with catch alls"

If you take my posts in here as me standing with others rather than simply confronting your numbskullery then I urge you to read them once more.

 

[Tony Edwards]

It is always factions, yes? Sides, rivals, odds... "don't categorise me as just a black person but I will label you all with catch alls"

If you take my posts in here as me standing with others rather than simply confronting your numbskullery then I urge you to read them once more.

Nah.