LCD vs LED

Another vote for Panny Plasma. Like any device with a glass screen, if you abuse it, it will scratch. Mine is 2 years old, has never seen a microfibre cloth in its life (just mr sheen and yellow dusters) and there isn't a single scratch on it. Gaming wise and channel ident wise, I have never seen screen burn or image retention and I play my XBox for hours.
Plasmas really shine with SD content, so if you watch a lot of TV, I would recommend a plama
 
The screen's are not glass they are plastic("tough glass" is Panasonic's term and there is nothing tough about them apart from impact resistance ) and believe me I do not abuse my equipment I keep microfibre cloths separate just for the tv,s and you can scratch them quite easily just cleaning, whether it is the stitching on the edge of the cloth is quite probable. Don,t get me wrong they make good tv,s, but there are plenty of lcd,s out there that would get my cash now and the G20 is not leap a massive leap over the G10. If your intention is to watch a lot of SD tv then Full HD is not even necessary, we also have a LG 32L2000 in our bedroom and this is always watched in the dark and the picture on that is superb compared to the Panny,s for normal tv, the best £275 I have spent on a TV.
 
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Even on sky hd which is 720p at best...
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It's true that Sky tested 720p, but they haven't rolled it out as a broadcast format. It's also true that the box can convert to 720p output in the set up menus, but it does a p-poor job of the rescaling.

1080i is the best setting for the HD channels since that's all Sky are broadcasting their HD content in right now.

There's some debate whether setting the box to 1080i or Auto gives a better result on the SD channels. My experience suggests it very much depends on the scaling abilities of the display.
 
Was looking for a nice big TV for films, occasional gaming and general TV use and came to the conclusion that a plasma was the way forward - cousins have a Kuro (not sure if it's a KRP or LX model) and it's amazing how good HD content looks on it - SD I wasn't quite so impressed with but it wasn't "bad".

Ended up going for the new Panasonic 50V20B plasma and haven't thought twice about it - playing Just Cause 2 is a pleasure - the colours are so good and of course you can move about the room without them inverting like an LCD would!

Blurays are just stunning as you would expect - as mentioned the IFC was left off as it does make things look so unrealistic and jerky!

LED lit sets are lovely if you want a slim TV to wall mount and tell everyone how thin it is but they do suffer from "clouding" and various other issues that plasma doesn't even entertain.

The V20 is a very thin set compared to our old 32" LCD - nearly half the thickness and will be going on the wall soon :D
 
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As ever, there is no difference bar the backlighting. They are both LCD tvs, no such thing as proper size consumer LED tvs out there yet.

And get yourself a a nice plasma and forget all this spec sheet nonsense that LCD manufacturers harp on about. 200hz and frame creation this and that is a load of crap and should always be off, just destroys the picture!
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Seconded about the LED backlighting.

Its a bit of a gimmick

As for the LCD vs Plasma debate, ive got an LCD and love it. Its a personal preference.

Get yourself down to the panasonic store and compare their plasmas with their LCDs get a better feel for yourself. The panasonic store TVs will have their own dedicated sources so you can possibly even bring along a blu-ray of your choice and ask them to demo it.

The shops will be much smaller, not as overlit, and generally will be better set up than currys / comet etc..

You dont have to buy a panasonic, but its one of the best ways of making a comparison. That and the panasonic plasmas are some if not the best arround at the moment (depending on if you count pioneer as being dead or not)
 
I just think that there is a lot of "blind" (no pun intended) recommendations for plasmas on here, especially Panasonic. I think people buy them because others say they are so superior and then just because they have bought one they harp on about them to justify the purchase. I'm talking simple image comparison, I really can't see where these Plasmas are so superior. Yeah I've seen some stunning Plasma TVs (setup properly round someones house) but then I've seen just as many if not more LCD TVs that look just as good. I'm talking not just sharp/crisp ness and clarity, but black levels too.
 
To me, comparing lcd and plasma and saying lcd is as good at displaying black is the same as saying you can beat physics. Technology proves that lcd cannot and will not display a true black and a true white. They are just grades of grey. No blind recommendation from me. I spent months comparing different tv's , lcd and plasma and had no bias towards either as i was moving from a 36" crt.

I lay the challenge down (to get rid of doubt) to anybody that can show me a lcd or led tv that produces a better picture from bluray with better black levels , better motion and better colour from all angles.

Any takers??
 
The angle thing I really don't get as an argument tbh. Who watches films from 178 degrees? My LCD is fine when I move around the room.
 
Jaybee, as i said before you have never seen a pionner kuro and obviously have no idea what you are talking about. lol if you think your lcd can match a kuro on black levels. having owned lcd's in the past, i decided to take the plunge with plasma. I went to showrooms (not curry's but decent shops) and compared the Pio with LCD from samsung, sony, toshiba and there was no hesitation the pio was clearly better so i bought it (the pana were also better than LCD since i had them shortlisted since they were cheaper than Pio). I must admit I was scared of IR, phosphor trails and screenburn coming from the LCD world - and I never had any such problem.
 
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The angle thing I really don't get as an argument tbh. Who watches films from 178 degrees? My LCD is fine when I move around the room.
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When i walk into my brothers house (he has lcd) at first you cant even tell if the tv is turned on due to the angle. Also , my dining room and front room is all in one and if i had an lcd i would be unable to watch tv due to where my table is. With my plasma i can watch a program in full colour and exactly the same amount of colour/contrast. Try that with an lcd and its impossible!
 
To me, LCD are only good for games. In a normal tv situation they just look watered down. The colours are terrible compared to plasma. In fact , i am thinking of upgrading my 50" samsung 1080p plasma for the new LG 60" 1080p plasma!!
 
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When i walk into my brothers house (he has lcd) at first you cant even tell if the tv is turned on due to the angle. Also , my dining room and front room is all in one and if i had an lcd i would be unable to watch tv due to where my table is. With my plasma i can watch a program in full colour and exactly the same amount of colour/contrast. Try that with an lcd and its impossible!
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LOL I'd seriously buy a better LCD then. Can't tell if it's on? Yeah ok. I can see mine is on from down the garden at about 179 degrees, not that I would ever want to watch it like that. Plasmas = overhyped, and thats all I was trying to get accross.
 
Granted newer LCD tech is allowing better off axis viewing but they still won't ever be as good as plasma in that regard.

The 2010 panny LCDs are very good at wider angles than almost any other set but they still do loose colour/contrast the further out you go.

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One of the major selling points of the TX-L37V20B is its use of an IPS panel and the improvements of this technology were evident when I tested the display’s off-axis performance. When viewed from the sides the image did not suffer from the usual loss of contrast and colour desaturation that plagues VA panels.
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LOL I'd seriously buy a better LCD then. Can't tell if it's on? Yeah ok. I can see mine is on from down the garden at about 179 degrees, not that I would ever want to watch it like that. Plasmas = overhyped, and thats all I was trying to get accross.
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Quotes like that=stupidity

Plasma technology is way better for colour/contrast off angle and motion!

I could have easily bought an lcd (infact i did at a special price but still took it back as it was rubbish), but chose plasma on performance alone
 
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You stated plasmas are overhyped. In comparing them to an lcd they are not. Its plain facts that a plasma has a better picture overall. Why would panasonic, lg and samsung continue with inferior screen technology when almost everybody else is going lcd?
 
If mostly watch normal tv and movies, get a plasma
If you mostly play games at high def, get a lcd

Problem solved :p, in reality it is very subjective get yourself down the stores to see what you prefer

As for the 'most people', argument.. ignore them 'most people' don't even realise they need to configure their tv to get the most out of it.
Out of the box a plasma looks better but when configured there isn't much in it and it comes down to personal preference (assuming you buy a good quality one)
 
I'm about to upgrade my 32" LCD sammy for a new 42-47" TV and have read the LCD/LED/PLASMA debate and hope you boffins can help a bit

Someone said LED is not really LED but some sort of gimmick can they explain this since LED TV's are about 70% more expensive atm than their LCD counterparts.

Secondly does anyone know about the power consumption of these TV's? Which is best for low power and heat?

My sammy LCD emits a fair amount of heat and uses up the leccy something which I wanna cut down on since as a family we have the TV on a fair amount in the winter.
 
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