Leeds arbitration hearing
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He's made a fair point. How many other clubs could break so many attendance records in a single season?
Forest did when they went down. They had the highest average attendance, and were even higher than a lot of Premiership clubs and the majority of Championship clubs.
It's a sign of the times, the once 'Premiership Big Clubs' no longer exist.
It's a sign of the times, the once 'Premiership Big Clubs' no longer exist.
What league you play in has got nothing to do with attendances, its to do with perfomances on the pitch. Leeds were in Division 1 on merit just the same as every other club in that division. Wether they should be in Division 1 next season is a different matter though.
Leeds are a big club but thats irrelevant. If clubsize has anything to do with it then that lot from Manchester would win everything.
Leeds are a big club but thats irrelevant. If clubsize has anything to do with it then that lot from Manchester would win everything.
Bradford City averaged out 14,000 fans in league 2 this year which along with the parachute payments gave them a huge financial advantage, yet they finished 9th.
If Leeds are too big for League 1 then they'll get promoted, if not then thats the level they deserve to be in. Oxford and Cambridge are too big for the conference but they're still there.
Personally i can't see how the football league, an independent arbitration panel, the majority of football league clubs and the majority of fans could all be completely wrong in this case.
The judgement makes interesting reading
Lots of legal jargon in the judgement.
but the way I read it...
Leeds appealed to keep the club in Div 1 when under the current rules they should have been demoted to League 2.
Of course every club should fight for it's existence, but it looks like Leeds have got off lightly and the Football League have bent over to accomodate them with the majority of League chairman voting to uphold the exceptional 'gift'.
Lots of legal jargon in the judgement.
but the way I read it...
Leeds appealed to keep the club in Div 1 when under the current rules they should have been demoted to League 2.
Of course every club should fight for it's existence, but it looks like Leeds have got off lightly and the Football League have bent over to accomodate them with the majority of League chairman voting to uphold the exceptional 'gift'.
well they earnt 88 points, which without the -15 would have given them an easy automatic promotion, shows that they should be promoted and are too big for league 1
The Football League question is inexplicable. If you can tell me why they voted against a CVA under which they'd receive 100% of their payments I'll tell you which rule leeds broke (something the Football League have thus far been unable to do). The 'independent' arbitration panel have criticised the League's rules and recommended that they change, it seems they've taken into account the fall-out from doing what is right, rather than just doing what is right and letting the Football League deal with the consequences of their actions. The majority of league clubs don't matter, since when do peers get to vote on the punishment of others?
Fans are generally misguided/biased. I accept that will be the view of me from other fans, but at least I have done a bit of research before speaking on the subject, rather than lambasting someone for doing something they haven't done.
Perfomances on the pitch put you in Division 1 so you deserved to be there. I think you have been treated unfairly since though. I just hope the authorities have now made sure they have proper rules in place to make sure no other club goes through what Leeds have had to go through. Whilst they are at it they should also make sure clubs can't do what Cardiff did in 2005 by outbidding clubs on transfer deadline day for players and then going to the PFA for a loan to pay wages a few days later.
I think the football league and the other clubs felt that Leeds pulled a fast one by going into administration at the time they did and just had it in for Leeds ever since and looked for other reasons to punish them. As the rules stood at the time Leeds did nothing wrong and took there 10 point deduction. It was no punishment because they were getting relegated anyway so they looked to punish them other ways. The rule was not a good rule and Leeds took advantage of it, that's not Leeds problem, that's down to the football league.
I'm no Leeds fan and my Team is not in Division 1 so the ruling does not affect me but it still looks to me like they had it in for Leeds for taking advantage of a poor rule.
I agree with that. A point I made in my first post. I just did not agree with we are too big for this division comment.
Why?
The judgement in my above post states that the 'rules' called for Leeds (newco) to be given a place in League 2.
They were allowed to start in League One.
I think that's more than fair.
Of course, if it happened to my club then I would be spinning out the same line as Leeds fans, as would we all.
On the footballing side, Leeds are the second best club in the division, so they should have no trouble beating the weaker sides in the play offs.
And Exeter!
The trouble is that our (ecfc) fans think we're too big for the conference and think we should walk the league every season. However we're only as good as our results show and although we keep coming close we haven't done enough and are there on merit. Still holding out hope of a play-off victory this season.
I suppose the arguement with Leeds is that with the 15 points back they would be 2nd(?) and so deserve automatic promotion proving that they are indeed too big for L1.
"Leeds' attempt to remove the penalty was rebuffed by the League clubs in two votes yesterday.The first, on whether the League were right to impose any kind of punishment, was passed by a majority of more than 75 per cent. The second, on whether the 15 point penalty was proportionate, was passed by a similar majority."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/08/10/sfnlee110.xml
Not saying it was the correct decision though...
Majago said:
Yeah Yeah
got my fingers crossed for you in the playoffs, i've got family in Exeter so it's a good excuse for a trip, rather you than Aldershot who on my last visit gave police protection to away fans in order to avoid them getting baited by the home support.I know they voted on it, I'm saying it should never have happened.