Let Battle Commence

Orangey · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:08

They might "launch" the new cards this year, but I bet only reviewers will have them until Christmas at the earliest.

Oh, and they'll cost £600 or something stupid until the 5870x2 comes out, at which point we can all point and laugh at the fanboys who paid it, just like last year.

Dauthi · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:08

hyperst said:
Well i aint buying ATI again any time soon if they cant play some of the games nice and smoth, nvidia has a good thing with its physx/cuda thing going into games.

Yeah with these costing a lot(the new nvidia's), im hoping that gtx 285 ive got my eye on comes down in price.

The 5850 looks like it's faster and cheaper than thw 285 atm its a no brainer nvidia have to reduce prices.

D13 · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:10

queamin said:
I wouldn't get your hopes up to much just in case

Tbh honest, i expect gt300 performance to be monstrous but expensive. I think my only concern is a repeat of the gtx280 failure rate issue, from what I recall the 280 had an unusually high failre rate,

StevenRaith · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:11

Hyperst, also bear in mind that DX11 allows you to run high level, parralell physics on any GPU, not just NVidia units - OpenCL and DirectCompute are basically non-hardware locked variants of what CUDA does.

PhysX will be dead by the end of the year - no-one is going to lock their games to Nvidia just for physics when they can get better market penetration using DirectCompute APIs for physics for the same results.

hyperst · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:15

magicroundabout said:
i'd upgrade your cpu first as i think that may be your problem. not the cards/drivers

Theres hundreds of post over the net that says different

hyperst · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:17

StevenRaith said:
Hyperst, also bear in mind that DX11 allows you to run high level, parralell physics on any GPU, not just NVidia units - OpenCL and DirectCompute are basically non-hardware locked variants of what CUDA does.

PhysX will be dead by the end of the year - no-one is going to lock their games to Nvidia just for physics when they can get better market penetration using DirectCompute APIs for physics for the same results.

Is that the case at present time, i think not, that maybe so next year but at present it certainly isnt, i want to play my games today not next year lol

magicroundabout · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:19

well i'm reading different then obviously

kkbigal · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:24

Tom|Nbk said:
They're a business i guess would be wrong to turn down such a large contract to allocate to the retail channel where they might not have made as much cash

Mainstream retailers such as Dell will certainly offer both nVidia and ATi a much bigger slice of revenue-flavoured pie than the enthusiast market, so securing a deal with Dell is an achievement for them.

Hopefully, what it means is that nVidia will either come out with a product that can best the 5xxx series, or they have a comparable product in terms of features/performance and they sell at a more competitive price, which all benefits us in the end

hyperst · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:25

magicroundabout said:
well i'm reading different then obviously

Heres a good place to start
http://forum.needforspeed.com/eaforum/posts/list/304149.page

dangerstat · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:26

To be honest ATI could realise a card twice as fast as this one, with four times more memory for half the price and I still wouldn't buy one - their Linux drivers suck ass and no CUDA.... NVIDIA all the way here, can't wait till they release their new cards!

wolvers · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:26

Funny how this story has emerged right after the 58xx cards have gotten such a great reception from the press and, in particular, the wider community just before ATI get the real bulk of their cards out into the market. :rolleyes:

AMG · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:27

yay here we go

@ATI bring on the x2

Born_2_Kill_83 · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:30

Ahhh just in time for my xmas list goes to Santa.

Seriously though I'm hoping for around the £420-460 mark for the top end GT300, should follow the same prices as GTX295's where december last year.

StevenRaith · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:32

dangerstat said:
To be honest ATI could realise a card twice as fast as this one, with four times more memory for half the price and I still wouldn't buy one - their Linux drivers suck ass and no CUDA.... NVIDIA all the way here, can't wait till they release their new cards!

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Has to be said, I've had issues with both Nvidia and ATI with my Ubuntu installs, of some sort; really, both need more professional, focussed support from their respective manufacturers.

[ATI HD4850 not Sync-To-Blank (aka vsyncing) with HD4850 when OpenGL is used for the desktop rendering causing massive tearing on videos/scrolling, onboard Nvidia on the Asus T3 not rendering 3D desktop properly, regardless of drivers]

To be honest, the only drivers I have had work properly, and flawlessly, are Intel GPUs, which have literally just worked, perfectly, every time.

Mind you, I'm finding Win7 to be perfectly adequate for now, but if I hear that 9.10 or 10.04 have improved this situation, then I'll be trying again - I do like a bit of Linux in my diet

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Alex74 · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:35

dangerstat said:
To be honest ATI could realise a card twice as fast as this one, with four times more memory for half the price and I still wouldn't buy one - their Linux drivers suck ass and no CUDA.... NVIDIA all the way here, can't wait till they release their new cards!

Fair enough, ATi's linux support has been rather bad compared to nvidia's. I do wonder, however, what you feel is so great about CUDA over industry-wide OpenCL support?

miker1 · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:37

As the OP said - here we go again.... though this time there is no sign of any hardware, just "Executive speak"......

dangerstat · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:39

Alex74 said:
Fair enough, ATi's linux support has been rather bad compared to nvidia's. I do wonder, however, what you feel is so great about CUDA over OpenCL support?

I think CUDA is amazing! Especially from the point of view of availability of lectures / tutorials / sample code vs openCL. OpenCL is more likely than not the future - but at the moment I'd much rather have an openCL AND CUDA enabled card

magicroundabout · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:50

hyperst said:
Heres a good place to start
http://forum.needforspeed.com/eaforum/posts/list/304149.page

5th post down

it's not an ATI prob.

i am running XP, geforce 9800GTX+

so much for ATI bashing too

both NV and ATI have there problems. none are perfect

StevenRaith · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:53

dangerstat said:
I think CUDA is amazing! Especially from the point of view of availability of lectures / tutorials / sample code vs openCL. OpenCL is more likely than not the future - but at the moment I'd much rather have an openCL AND CUDA enabled card

Fair point, but OpenCL is already on Mac OS 10.6 and working - so hopefully we aught to be able to see some direct, task to task comparisons of how CUDA stacks up against OpenCL, which I for one will find interesting. But then I'm very, very strange like that

hyperst · 25 Sep 2009 at 13:54

magicroundabout said:
5th post down

so much for ATI bashing too

both NV and ATI have there problems. none are perfect

omg i knew you would show that one post lol, its like 95 % are ati uses having problems and 5% nvidia users