lets get this sorted(minorities feel free to be outraged)

[VIRII]

My point was that not all immigrants are here to claim benefits. My father is an immigrant who has worked far harder than many of the natives on these forums.

How do you know that he has worked harder exactly? He may well have worked hard but so what?
My Father has worked very hard and served his country his entire life. He made many sacrifices for the realm.

I guess you need to define "hard work", it could be simply physically demanding, it could be emotionally distressing, it could require hours and hours and hours of time, it could take you from your loved ones, it might simply be digging ditches 12 hours a day.
Exactly how you determine that your father worked harder than most natives on this forum will depend upon how you define hard work. Care to have a go at it?

 

[shine]

So what you wanted to say is that the Government should try and stamp out benefit fraud.

You have a funny way of putting things

No, I was just referring to the lazy people - there's enough of them out there.

 

[VIRII]

Allow me to clarify - I was talking about those who are able to work and don't because benefits are so easy to come by these days.

I personally favour a system of reducing benefits whereby the amount of money and the quality of life you receive reduces over time.

If you've paid tens of thousands of pounds tax per year why should you be entitled to the same basic £90 a fortnight that others get? Why should you sell your house to survive when others have been given one and never worked for it?

So I favour a system that keeps you in the style that you were accustomed to living in and gradually reduces you down to the base level of living.

I agree that our benefits bill is way, way too high and that we offer far too much to people who simply turn up here and claim asylum. I believe that the benefits system needs a rethink from top to bottom and some difficult decisions need taking with regards to people who churn out kids to get bigger council houses and more benefits.

 

[Hybrids]

learn the lingo, if you want to live here speak English

What if they come and live in fluent welsh areas of Wales? Should they also be forced to learn Welsh?

Hybrids

 

[@if ®afiq]

Care to have a go at it?

Do I get any prizes if I get it correct?

My father has been worked here for 40 years straight, from the age of 20 onwards. He has been working in a factory making nuts and bolts doing 14 hours shifts everyday for next to nothing in terms of payment or benefits. I define that as working hard.

Regardless of whether my definition meets your standard or not - you have missed my point again. All immigrants do not come here to claim benefits, but to build a better life for themselves and their families.

 

[shine]

I personally favour a system of reducing benefits whereby the amount of money and the quality of life you receive reduces over time.

If you've paid tens of thousands of pounds tax per year why should you be entitled to the same basic £90 a fortnight that others get? Why should you sell your house to survive when others have been given one and never worked for it?

So I favour a system that keeps you in the style that you were accustomed to living in and gradually reduces you down to the base level of living.

I agree that our benefits bill is way, way too high and that we offer far too much to people who simply turn up here and claim asylum. I believe that the benefits system needs a rethink from top to bottom and some difficult decisions need taking with regards to people who churn out kids to get bigger council houses and more benefits.

I can agree with all of that except:

agree that our benefits bill is way, way too high and that we offer far too much to people who simply turn up here and claim asylum.

I was referring to the general population, the problem is widespread, its not just the immigrants, asylum seekers who come under this category.

 

[VIRII]

Do I get any prizes if I get it correct?

My father has been worked here for 40 years straight, from the age of 20 onwards. He has been working in a factory making nuts and bolts doing 14 hours shifts everyday for next to nothing in terms of payment or benefits. I define that as working hard.

Regardless of whether my definition meets your standard or not - you have missed my point again. All immigrants do not come here to claim benefits, but to build a better life for themselves and their families.

Not at all. Your point was that *your* father has worked harder than anyone elses father. I see no need for the rolleyes, you made an unquantified blanket assumptive statement and I questioned how you define hard work.

I'm afraid that making nuts and bolts in a factory doesn't sound like hard work to me in the way that say digging ditches by hand would be hard work.
You say he works everyday - so this factory runs 7 days a week and he works 98 hours a week then? That is certainly a lot of hours. No time off for Xmas either !
If the job is poorly paid then perhaps it is because it is easy and anyone can do it - to paraphrase the suggestions made about soldiers pay in another thread.

I am also guessing that the job can't be that bad because after all if it was so terrible why didn't he go back to his original country? Could it be that life here making nuts and bolts is an awful lot better than the country he came from?

 

[VIRII]

I was referring to the general population, the problem is widespread, its not just the immigrants, asylum seekers who come under this category.

I thought I also spoke of people who churn out kids to get bigger council houses? I personally wouldn't give asylum seekers anything more than a hostel and some educational classes / basic food whilst their claims are being assessed.

The statement "I agree that our benefits bill is way, way too high *AND* we also give....." in no way implies that the only problem are asylum seekers coming here.

Apologies for any confusion.

 

[shine]

I thought I also spoke of people who churn out kids to get bigger council houses? I personally wouldn't give asylum seekers anything more than a hostel and some educational classes / basic food whilst their claims are being assessed.

You did, I stand corrected

 

[Chronos-X]

learn the lingo, if you want to live here speak English

Agreed

Respect the country that means showing allegience and not burning union jacks etc

Not so bothered about this - I wouldn't want anyone to swear absolute allegiance.

Dont be a bloody scrounger, immigrants should get no benefits, i mean i'm sick of hearhing about hooky hand blokey with his thousands in benefits or the people out begging in the street, get a job ffs theres plenty out there you may think its a low paid rubbish job but guess what it pays money and theres plenty of jobs out there no matter how bad or menial they may be

Absolutely. And prosecution for people who have children outside of their means. British or otherwise - I am fed up with our country being held to ransom by the idiocy of our own people.

respect your fellow citizens, (obvious enough)

Agreed.

i'm of the opinion if people dont like this country then why are they here, for example muslims who want sharia law introduced This is Britian not a muslim country dont like it then go somewhere else,

This is Britain. For centuries people have campaigned for change. You may not like the campaign, and the change (in this case to 'sharia law' as you put it) in all probability will not happen. But if someone campaigns for it, respect their right to do so as I would respect yours. That, my friend, is Britain. If YOU don't like it, YOU get out.

please dont take this as a muslim bashing thread i'm aiming this at any and all ethnic groups

I don't. Others will have an agenda though

if anyone wants to debate these points then feel free. i'm here all night

Keep it clean lads

 

[Chronos-X]

I whole-heartedly agree with the benefits point though. It makes me angry to see immigrants walking into the country and getting a nice house when our own citizens can go whistle.

SiriusB

Can you provide me with a blob of sauce?

 

[KNiVES]

This is overclockers.co.uk, not dailymail.co.uk.

With that said, people never know the other half of what goes on regarding culture clashes. It's not like the British natives are all angels either. If you want to complain, then stop voting doormat governments in.

 

[@if ®afiq]

Not at all. Your point was that *your* father has worked harder than anyone elses father.

Where have I said my "father has worked harder than anyone elses father"???

I am also guessing that the job can't be that bad because after all if it was so terrible why didn't he go back to his original country? Could it be that life here making nuts and bolts is an awful lot better than the country he came from?

I don't know what you are trying to getting at here. Obviously the reason he continued working here was for the benefit our family.

 

[dirtydog]

My father has been worked here for 40 years straight, from the age of 20 onwards. He has been working in a factory making nuts and bolts doing 14 hours shifts everyday

14 hours a day, 60 hours a week? That sounds rather high. Is it 20 hours' overtime a week or what?

edit - my mental arithmetic isn't too good - make that 70 hours

 

[@if ®afiq]

14 hours a day, 60 hours a week? That sounds rather high. Is it 20 hours' overtime a week or what?

Not too sure how much overtime, if he got overtime. I'll ask him next time I speak to him.

 

[VIRII]

Where have I said my "father has worked harder than anyone elses father"???

My father is an immigrant who has worked far harder than many of the natives on these forums.

I don't know what you are trying to getting at here. Obviously the reason he continued working here was for the benefit our family.

How lucky for him that we allowed him to come here then, he owes us a debt of gratitude clearly

Strange that you say he worked hard for his family. You see our ancestors worked hard for their families to build this country for their families persumeably so that their families wouldn't have to work so hard and so that they would have a better life. It si lucky for your family that they were alos generous enough to allow your family to enjoy the fruits of their labours and yet you speak of it as though he was the one doing the rest of us a favour.

 

[VIRII]

14 hours a day, 60 hours a week? That sounds rather high. Is it 20 hours' overtime a week or what?

14 x 5 = 60

 

[dirtydog]

If he works 14 hours a day, if you add in travel to and from work, and at least half an hour for lunch, he must have no time when he gets home for anything other than dinner, bath and bed. That's how I was when I've worked long hours in the past, though I don't think I've ever done 14 in a day before.

 

[dirtydog]

14 x 5 = 60

I said 70 don't try and pretend I didn't!

 

[volospian]

Thread title mad me chuckle. Sounds like Raymond Terrific from Big Talk "Right, boffins, Let's get this sorted once and for all, c'mon brainiacs, you can do better than this!"