lets get this sorted(minorities feel free to be outraged)

penski · 12 Oct 2006 at 10:52

sormicoft said:
If you want to stay in this country you shouldn't be burning the flag. you should deported asap as obviously you no longer want to be a british citizen

Did you just manage to ignore the entire thread? I and others have already answered this:

Ex-RoNiN said:
If the laws permit the burning of the union jack, then why not If you feel it is disrespectful, talk to your MP about this. Other countries have refused to outlaw flag burning as it impedes freedom of speech.

Arcade Fire said:
Hmm... not being allowed to deface the national flag. That's been a law in every dictatorship I can think of, including Nazi Germany. Do you not believe in freedom of expression?

spike's said:
burning the flag in my opinion is showing you dont like the country. correct?
if you dont like the country then wtf are you doing in it.?

To which I responded:

penski said:
One can enjoy living in a country and dislike those who govern it, no?

Or are you saying that you think we should live under a dictatorship where any politican subversion is met with severe punishment?

*n

Please try not to be so ignorant.

A flag is a bit of cloth. Burn it if you want.

If you dislike what that flag represents then claim that your act of inflammation is a protest against whatever that flag represents.

I don't agree with the psuedodemocracy which our government is founded on. If I wished to, I would burn a flag in protest of this.

*n

@if ®afiq · 12 Oct 2006 at 10:56

VIRII said:
How lucky for him that we allowed him to come here then, he owes us a debt of gratitude clearly

Why - did you have a hand in granting him the visa?

VIRII said:
Strange that you say he worked hard for his family. You see our ancestors worked hard for their families to build this country for their families persumeably so that their families wouldn't have to work so hard and so that they would have a better life. It si lucky for your family that they were alos generous enough to allow your family to enjoy the fruits of their labours and yet you speak of it as though he was the one doing the rest of us a favour.

You are going off on a complete Daily-Mail tangent.

Also, can't you tell the difference between "many natives on these forums" and "anyone elses father"?

penski · 12 Oct 2006 at 11:04

dirtydog said:
If he works 14 hours a day, if you add in travel to and from work, and at least half an hour for lunch, he must have no time when he gets home for anything other than dinner, bath and bed. That's how I was when I've worked long hours in the past, though I don't think I've ever done 14 in a day before.

I did a month of the following shifts:

7am monday - 5pm monday (10 hours)
(five hour gap)
10pm monday - 7am tuesday (9 hours)
(four hour gap)
11am tuesday - 10pm tuesday (11 hours)
(nine hour gap)
7am wednesday - 5pm wednesday (10 hours)
(five hour gap)
10pm wednesday - 7am thursday (9 hours)
(four hour gap)
11am thursday - 10pm thursday (11 hours)
(nine hour gap)
7am friday - 5pm friday (10 hours)
(five hour gap)
10pm friday - 7am saturday (9 hours)
(four hour gap)
11am saturday - 10pm saturday (11 hours)
(nine hour gap)
7am sunday - 7pm sunday (12 hours)
(twelve hour gap)

102 hours a week for four consecutive weeks...double pay on night shifts which almost made up for it.

The scary thing is that it was only 'bad' for the first week - after that, my body settled into it.

*n

penski · 12 Oct 2006 at 11:04

@if ®afiq said:
Also, can't you tell the difference between "many natives on these forums" and "anyone elses father"?

That's just a bit of CBS-style assumption.

*n

Chronos-X · 12 Oct 2006 at 11:10

penski said:
That's just a bit of CBS-style assumption.

*n

Yeah, I didn't think there was much room for interpretation there either. The two are quite seperate.

dirtydog · 12 Oct 2006 at 11:11

penski said:
I did a month of the following shifts:

Oh I know 14 hours a day can be done, but not indefinitely I don't think. Not unless you lived only to work, and what sort of life is that, regardless of the money you are making

I used to semi-regularly work from 8am to 9pm (12 hours work), which was four hours overtime, and half an hour's and 15 miles' drive each way, and that was bad enough.

VIRII · 12 Oct 2006 at 11:15

dirtydog said:
I said 70 don't try and pretend I didn't!

I did ask you earlier if the synapses were having problems didn't I

VIRII · 12 Oct 2006 at 11:19

@if ®afiq said:
Why - did you have a hand in granting him the visa?

Maybe

@if ®afiq said:

You are going off on a complete Daily-Mail tangent.

Click to expand...

What does that mean then? After all it is you that has made an unqualified comment about how your father has worked FAR harder than many other people on this forum.........

@if ®afiq said:

Also, can't you tell the difference between "many natives on these forums" and "anyone elses father"?

Click to expand...

Sure I can. Why did you leave the "far harder" bit out, trying to tone it down a bit?

VIRII · 12 Oct 2006 at 11:22

penski said:
That's just a bit of CBS-style assumption.

*n

So is playing down the "my father has worked FAR HARDER" part of it

VIRII · 12 Oct 2006 at 11:23

Chronos-X said:
Yeah, I didn't think there was much room for interpretation there either. The two are quite seperate.

mmm semantics

I'll play you

@if ®afiq · 12 Oct 2006 at 11:37

VIRII said:
Maybe

In that case, I am eternally indebted to you.

VIRII said:
What does that mean then? After all it is you that has made an unqualified comment about how your father has worked FAR harder than many other people on this forum.........

What have you ancestors got to do with the point that I have been trying to make?

VIRII said:
Sure I can. Why did you leave the "far harder" bit out, trying to tone it down a bit?

OK then, can't you tell the difference between "my father has worked far harder than many natives on these forums" and "my father has worked far harder than anyone elses father"? Does that make you happy?

stigggeh · 12 Oct 2006 at 11:41

penski said:
A flag is a bit of cloth. Burn it if you want.

If you dislike what that flag represents then claim that your act of inflammation is a protest against whatever that flag represents.

I don't agree with the psuedodemocracy which our government is founded on. If I wished to, I would burn a flag in protest of this.

*n

burn the flag but dont draw a few cartoons whatever you do

MookJong · 12 Oct 2006 at 11:53

shine said:
No, I was just referring to the lazy people - there's enough of them out there.

Lazy people don't get benefits.

It's the lazy people who fraud the system that get benefits.

WIBSBOT · 12 Oct 2006 at 12:43

VIRII said:
You see our ancestors invaded other countries in order that other countries would have to work hard for them, and therefore passed the benefits onto us.

fixored

Oh, and I washed a union jack (needed to keep it clean see) but it shrunk so I ripped it up and I now use it as a dish cloth - should I by kicked out ? - I would prefer Australia to Iraq but understand if they won't allow it, the Queen being their head of state and all.
I also licked the back of the Queen's head.

On a serious note - to the OP, if all immigrants who didn't conform were kicked out, then this country would grind to a halt. London would be a ghost town.

Mr Nice · 12 Oct 2006 at 13:53

As a member of an ethnic group I'd like to answer your points

learn the lingo, if you want to live here speak English

Of course how else am I supposed to order at the chippy if I can't?

Unfortunately, now I'm only bi-lingual thanks to forgetting the French & German learnt at school

Respect the country that means showing allegience and not burning union jacks etc

The last thing I burnt was the bacon this morning

Dont be a bloody scrounger, immigrants should get no benefits, i mean i'm sick of hearhing about hooky hand blokey with his thousands in benefits or the people out begging in the street, get a job ffs theres plenty out there you may think its a low paid rubbish job but guess what it pays money and theres plenty of jobs out there no matter how bad or menial they may be

As am I. I'm fed up of paying 4 figures a month in income tax to subsidise those work shy peasants in beer, fags and rent.

respect your fellow citizens, (obvious enough)

Only if they are worthy. Respect is earnt.

i'm of the opinion if people dont like this country then why are they here, for example muslims who want sharia law introduced This is Britian not a muslim country dont like it then go somewhere else

To which your entitled. I however am becoming, along with many, increasingly hacked off with the tree hugging, lefty liberal stance of this government. I certainly won't be retiring here if things stay the same.

sam83uk · 12 Oct 2006 at 14:05

It really makes me laugh how all these immigrants cross though germany france, holland etc etc just to get here.. surely it's blatently taking the **** and its obvious what they are after.. benifits, free everything

lets change our laws to match germany

Skalaberg · 12 Oct 2006 at 14:10

[TW]Fox said:
I'm not entirely impressed with the prospect of a law forcing me to accept drunken fighting, reading The Sun, talking by removing the end of every word and jumping on media bandwagons.

Well then you know the answer dont you

Zefan · 12 Oct 2006 at 14:10

penski said:
It's just let down by it's shoddy inhabitants.

*n

Don't inhabitants a country make?

Surely you don't think purely a nice hilly landscape and some nice shrubberys consitute a fantastic country?

semi-pro waster · 12 Oct 2006 at 14:33

Zefan said:
Don't inhabitants a country make?

Surely you don't think purely a nice hilly landscape and some nice shrubberys consitute a fantastic country?

This statement isn't pro or anti-immigration but frankly I'd be a whole lot happier living without a lot of people who exist on this earth so yeah, a country can be pretty and interesting without its inhabitants, indigenous or otherwise.

And moving out of this country isn't an option, there are people everywhere :eek:

arrgh there is no escape

Zefan · 12 Oct 2006 at 14:37

semi-pro waster said:
a country can be pretty and interesting without its inhabitants, indigenous or otherwise.

I don't see what makes this country "Fantastic", if not the people who populate and/or run the country.