Life in South Africa...

[Tefal]

They do. And they can have high levels of education. Thus I'd say education ain't the issue.

Ohh no, it's the "I may die tomorrow" and it not be an outside chance. That does it

 

[Maccy]

I think you underestimate these people, I mean what are you actually trying to say about their intelligence?

People have known for 1000's of years that if you destroy your crops there will be no food.

They didn't need a GCE in science to know this.

What level of education do you need to know that smashing things up, burning things down and looting is not a good idea?

Stop misinterpreting what I’m saying, I didn’t say that and you both know it.

 

[Malevolence]

How do these people not realise that destroying supply chains and even the means of food production, is not sticking it to the man, but actually destroying essential infrastructure needed to keep people alive.

It's bizarre.

Not S. Africa, but from another thread some years back.

It's sub-Saharan Africa. A friend of mine spent some time in Niger as part of his University degree. He and the company he was with set up a solar power system that powered water pumps & purifiers, charged phones, radios and torches and allowed other such simple devices to be used in villages that were literally in the middle of nowhere.

Two weeks later when they went to check how they were working out and to fix any problems that had arisen they found every one had been stripped down to it's components and either sold on or used as building materials or farming implements.

It's just how it is in that part of the World.

 

[Dis86]

Stop misinterpreting what I’m saying, I didn’t say that and you both know it.

Then I'm at a loss as to what you mean.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Remove all farmers cos they're white - check.

Smash up and burn farms / food supplies - check

Running out of food now? Lets blame those evil Wypipo and the global economy some more.

 

[Poneros]

Christ what's going to happen when the food runs out? Some will be trading their 70" TVs for a loaf of bread at some point.

You ever play Metro Exodus? There's a level there inspired from real events, like this. There's a lot of very dark reading about time throughout the russian revolution (and the chinese ones) as well which showcases what happens when food is low & production is burned to the ground, and is usually corroborated by how people behaved in similar circumstances at different times & places in history, with the difference being the sheer scale of it. Order can collapse a lot faster than people imagine and there's honestly no bottom that can reached, there's always another level of evil and horror possible.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

I mean you would think it people were starving, they would start planting some seeds or eating dandelions or broad leaf dock, or their equivalents where they live.

 

[naefeart]

Then I'm at a loss as to what you mean.

What he is saying is that one of the major factors is a massive lack of even the basics of an education for many, many people, going back decades.

No you don’t need a degree etc. to understand how things work, but if you’ve had little to no education at all, lived in total poverty with little to no opportunities to ever change that, coupled with a complete lack of understanding of how the world could be different, you will only look as far as your own survival on a day to day basis.

Place this person within a large group of like minded people and it’s only going to go one way. Add to that years of systemic corruption, opportunistic regimes, meddling western influence and you’ve got well, most of Africa currently. There are obviously lots of other contributory factors going back years, but I’m sure you know most of this.

Some good friends of mine are from SA and have been effectively forced to leave after generations of living there. Some have gone back for various reasons only to forced out again by the total chaos raging on. I know I will never go back.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

What he is saying is that one of the major factors is a massive lack of even the basics of an education for many, many people, going back decades.

I didn't actually think that SA was too uneducated, I always thought it was one of the better off parts of Africa ...

Or wait, was that due to those farmers and other people they already kicked out hmmmm.

If it is related to education, theres all those strange statistics things that categorize IQ by race that would kind of apply to this.

 

[Dis86]

What he is saying is that one of the major factors is a massive lack of even the basics of an education for many, many people, going back decades.

No you don’t need a degree etc. to understand how things work, but if you’ve had little to no education at all, lived in total poverty with little to no opportunities to ever change that, coupled with a complete lack of understanding of how the world could be different, you will only look as far as your own survival on a day to day basis.

Place this person within a large group of like minded people and it’s only going to go one way. Add to that years of systemic corruption, opportunistic regimes, meddling western influence and you’ve got well, most of Africa currently. There are obviously lots of other contributory factors going back years, but I’m sure you know most of this.

Some good friends of mine are from SA and have been effectively forced to leave after generations of living there. Some have gone back for various reasons only to forced out again by the total chaos raging on. I know I will never go back.

But again, how does any of that explain why someone would think, no matter their lack of education, that wanton destruction would improve their situation?

 

[naefeart]

But again, how does any of that explain why someone would think, no matter their lack of education, that wanton destruction would improve their situation?

That’s the thing, they aren’t thinking beyond their immediate needs.

 

[Dis86]

That’s the thing, they aren’t thinking.

Exactly. So level of education is irrelevant. As supported by the complete morons in this country a few years back who were found to be university students, post-grads and professionals when they went and smashed up towns and cities for no purpose at all.

 

[naefeart]

Exactly. So level of education is irrelevant. As supported by the complete morons in this country a few years back who were found to be university students, post-grads and professionals when they went and smashed up towns and cities for no purpose at all.

Ah I see what you’re saying, I can’t understand that situation either, but I honestly don’t believe you can compare that to SA - the driving factors and culture are different.

 

[The Running Man]

What he is saying is that one of the major factors is a massive lack of even the basics of an education for many, many people, going back decades.

No you don’t need a degree etc. to understand how things work, but if you’ve had little to no education at all, lived in total poverty with little to no opportunities to ever change that, coupled with a complete lack of understanding of how the world could be different, you will only look as far as your own survival on a day to day basis.

Place this person within a large group of like minded people and it’s only going to go one way. Add to that years of systemic corruption, opportunistic regimes, meddling western influence and you’ve got well, most of Africa currently. There are obviously lots of other contributory factors going back years, but I’m sure you know most of this.

Some good friends of mine are from SA and have been effectively forced to leave after generations of living there. Some have gone back for various reasons only to forced out again by the total chaos raging on. I know I will never go back.

Are you saying that these people don't have access to mobile phones or the Internet and have literally no idea about what is going on outside of their county or something?

How do you think they know about England or who Zuma is?

Watch Luis Theroux, Law and Disorder in Lagos

yes its a different country but it will give you an idea of what is likely to be happening, albeit 11 years later with even more technology, more knowledge and control.

Local corrupt lords riling up street boys to raid or loot in attacks co ordinated centrally. Add in a bit of casual looting like we saw in the USA and thats basically where SA is right now.

I wouldnt put it all down to the people simply not being educated.

 

[naefeart]

…I wouldnt put it all down to the people simply not being educated.

Where did I say it was ALL down to education? You seem to keep coming back to this despite no-one saying it

I’ve based what I’ve said from knowing people directly affected and from living and working across Africa for years. I was in my early 20s the first time I went to work in Lagos, talk about a different world.

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

Check out the documentary "Empire of dust" for some further insight. So much corruption it's ridiculous.

 

[ianh]

Where did I say it was ALL down to education? You seem to keep coming back to this despite no-one saying it

I’ve based what I’ve said from knowing people directly affected and from living and working across Africa for years. I was in my early 20s the first time I went to work in Lagos, talk about a different world.

It looks like they're basing it on Maccy's post below which they've decided is Maccy saying "All Africans (aka black people) are thick" which is obviously not what he's saying at all and, as you commented on someone else's reply to Maccy's post, they're possibly confusing the two posters?

Things are very different over there, lack of education plays a big part sadly and a lot of it is just focusing on survival for the short term

 

[Maccy]

It looks like they're basing it on Maccy's post below which they've decided is Maccy saying "All Africans (aka black people) are thick" which is obviously not what he's saying at all and, as you commented on someone else's reply to Maccy's post, they're possibly confusing the two posters?

It's just a classic case of GDers reading a post how they want to read it.

I can categorically say that I did not say "All Africans (aka black people) are thick", I stated that lack of education CAN be a reason for this behaviour - and I'm basing that on first hand experience of talking to natives in SA, and having seen and spoken to people who live in a communities (yes I've actually been there and experienced it first hand!)

 

[Dis86]

It's just a classic case of GDers reading a post how they want to read it.

I can categorically say that I did not say "All Africans (aka black people) are thick", I stated that lack of education CAN be a reason for this behaviour - and I'm basing that on first hand experience of talking to natives in SA, and having seen and spoken to people who live in a communities (yes I've actually been there and experienced it first hand!)

I literally asked you what you meant by it. I've also given the example to naefeart of why I think education, or lack thereof, is largely irrelevant as a factor.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

If people need an education to know how to not break the law, how do all the people in every 'tribal people react' videos and all the people like them in their villages know how to behave properly and not go around smashing everything up?

Literally sounds like nothing but white-splaining to me.