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ummm i gave up on linux.... it was boring after all the nice things got installed... so back to windows but thx good to know more about linux for future reference :D

Different things for different people, I suppose. I find Windows boring (I work with Windows boxes and have mostly linux at home).
 
ummm i gave up on linux.... it was boring after all the nice things got installed... so back to windows but thx good to know more about linux for future reference :D

A lot has got to be said for Linux and I have to agree, it really is boring.

There is nothgin in Linux that can hold people down truthfully and I personally feel that a large chunk of Linux users only actualyl use it to try to be "L33T" and be a step above the "N0085".

That said, when done right, its extremely fast, ultra reliable, and above all free, and if all you want to do, is knock up a PC for someone to access the internet with, then there is no reason why you should have to be forced to use Windows when Linux is free and does the same job.

Linux as a desktop O/S I feel is not just a bit behind Windows, its leagues behind and the rate things are going, I honestly cannot see Linux coming even close to worrying Microsoft for that.

As Servers etc, yes, its already kicking Windows' arse but not for the average everyday joe no.

I am soryr that you felt it boring however....

While I have just slated it myself, I also feel that if you had learned your computing more on a Linux PC and not windows, thn you might be saying the other way round. They are really just so different.

Try using Linux a little more than you have done. Try not to concentrate so much on getting it looking pretty because if thats all you want, then you are going to fool yourself like the many Vista owners out there who seem to think that Vista is massively different to XP, when in fact all it really is, is a pretty interface when it really not all that different at all... Linux in itself is NOT the desktop, its the command line... Like DOS is to Windows in many ways... what you messed about with, was just the graphics bit, the interface, and not Linux itself.

Ok, Im waffling, im off.
 
There is nothgin in Linux that can hold people down truthfully and I personally feel that a large chunk of Linux users only actualyl use it to try to be "L33T" and be a step above the "N0085".

I disagree. If I wanted to be "L33T" and above the "N0085", I'd be using Solaris or BSD, not linux - as they have substantially smaller market shares.

The beauty of linux is that it is free - free as in beer and[/] free as in speech. A phrase you will hear a lot if you spend a lot of time working with linux and gnu/linux. Basically what it translates to is that it's free (you don't pay for it) and free (you can modify it however you want). This is makes linux incredibly flexible (unlike Windows, which you cannot modify).

Linux as a desktop O/S I feel is not just a bit behind Windows, its leagues behind and the rate things are going, I honestly cannot see Linux coming even close to worrying Microsoft for that.

If you just use your computer for gaming, then linux isn't for you. If you're interested in knowing how your computer works and are interested in tweaking it, then windows isn't really for you and linux is miles ahead.

Linux in itself is NOT the desktop, its the command line... Like DOS is to Windows in many ways... what you messed about with, was just the graphics bit, the interface, and not Linux itself.

Linux is not the shell either. Linux is the kernel. GNU/Linux is the operating system - and because of this, the OS is very modular - all written by different people because they wanted certain functionality and packaged together in distros (or you can "roll your own" if you so wish) - however, I am going to continue calling it Linux, as that was to illustrate my point. Linux is a very old operating system and originally had just a command shell. for a lot of users, this is perfectly adequate as it happens to be extremely powerful - you can edit pics, surf the net, watch movies from the command shell (you can compile your kernel with a true colour framebuffer), but this is not good enough for all situations... hence the gui.

bash > cmd by a very, very long way.
 
While I have just slated it myself, I also feel that if you had learned your computing more on a Linux PC and not windows, than you might be saying the other way round. They are really just so different.
I think it would be great fun to troll the Windows forum above this one by creating a thread in the same vein as this one, but saying that I'm usually a Linux user who wants to dabble in Vista to see the cool effects. Go back and read the posts in this thread and imagine that the tables were turned. I wouldn't know how to install programs. I wouldn't know how to use the configuration menus. I wouldn't follow helpful instructions. I wouldn't install any drivers. I wouldn't know how to edit the registry. I'd claim that poorly documented GUI utilities for small tasks con fused me as I was accustomed to accomplishing those in the bash shell. Then, when it was all done and ready to go, I'd say I moved back to Linux because I got bored with it.

EDIT: Sorry if I came off as a bit harsh toward you, NoobieOCer. I don't mean to direct this directly at you. I'm generalizing about all the threads of this variety as this is merely one of many.

Operating systems shouldn't be a big deal. It should be a framework that allows applications to run, then gets the hell out of the way. It's about the applications! It always has been, and it should always be. If the applications you want to run require Windows, then you should be running Windows. If the applications you want to run require OS X, then you should be running OS X. If the applications you want to run require Solaris, then you should be running Solaris. The same goes for any OS; System V, HP-UX, IRIX, BeOS, OS/2, AmigaOS, AIX, Plan 9, and *BSD. People seem to forget this sometimes as OS preparers, especially Microsoft, Apple, and the various Linux vendors, add "value" to their platforms by including more stuff and calling it part of the operating system. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, I'm just saying that it obfuscates the true nature of what it is.
 
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I disagree. If I wanted to be "L33T" and above the "N0085", I'd be using Solaris or BSD, not linux - as they have substantially smaller market shares.

LOL true.

But then Solaris / BSD etc are Linux compatible so I feel that they are very much in the same area really.. OS/2 Warp rules!


This is makes linux incredibly flexible (unlike Windows, which you cannot modify).

SNIP

If you just use your computer for gaming, then linux isn't for you. If you're interested in knowing how your computer works and are interested in tweaking it, then windows isn't really for you and linux is miles ahead.

Agreed.


Linux is not the shell either. Linux is the kernel.

Linux is a very old operating system and originally had just a command shell.

Of course, but only for the sake of arguements, Linux needs at the very least a CLI of sorts in order to make it useful, so in this respect, its very much the same as DOS in many ways.

They both require you to type down what you need in order to do a specific task... Without a CLI, Linux is useless to anyone... Unless of course they run a script and then they would require another O/S to write the script!
 
I think it would be great fun to troll the Windows forum above this one by creating a thread in the same vein as this one, but saying that I'm usually a Linux user who wants to dabble in Vista to see the cool effects. Go back and read the posts in this thread and imagine that the tables were turned. I wouldn't know how to install programs. I wouldn't know how to use the configuration menus. I wouldn't follow helpful instructions. I wouldn't install any drivers. I wouldn't know how to edit the registry. I'd claim that poorly documented GUI utilities for small tasks con fused me as I was accustomed to accomplishing those in the bash shell. Then, when it was all done and ready to go, I'd say I moved back to Linux because I got bored with it.
Hahaha, great idea. There's not much chance of the Windows people seeing this thread, so I guess we could get away with it for a few weeks until someone cottoned on :D

Operating systems shouldn't be a big deal. It should be a framework that allows applications to run, then gets the hell out of the way. It's about the applications! It always has been, and it should always be. If the applications you want to run require Windows, then you should be running Windows. If the applications you want to run require OS X, then you should be running OS X. If the applications you want to run require Solaris, then you should be running Solaris. The same goes for any OS; System V, HP-UX, IRIX, BeOS, OS/2, AmigaOS, AIX, Plan 9, and *BSD. People seem to forget this sometimes as OS preparers, especially Microsoft, Apple, and the various Linux vendors, add "value" to their platforms by including more stuff and calling it part of the operating system. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, I'm just saying that it obfuscates the true nature of what it is.
I've been saying this for years... one of my university lecturers used to say a similar thing about hardware too, in that you should choose your hardware based on the OS, which itself is chosen based on the application you need to use, not based on whichever vendor had the best reputation or took you to the best restaurant.
 
Yes, thats true.

I use a program called Papyrus Office. A very poor version of this is available on the PC, but I use it on my Atari, and its pretty much an MS Office / Star Office clone.
I also use CAB ( Netscape clone ) even though its no longer supported, it does what is needed. I also use QED ( Basic Notepad ), and some other apps too of course.

Many apps are available on PC and Mac but to be quite honest, a 3Ghz PC running StarOffice8 or MSOffice 2003 is disgustingly slow at spellchecking a masive DOC when compared to my humble Atari running Papyrus... Hell, even a bog-standard ST is faster than most Celerons at doing office work.

So, yes, I agree 100% with you on the principles of this.

It also shows that the PC is seriously in dire need of a re-work, because for a massive number of users who only want a computer for basic office / internet work, todays PCs are no faster than they were 10 years ago. Ok, video works, gaming and such like, yes, but for normal computing, you might as well stick to a 386 cos they do the same job.
 
It also shows that the PC is seriously in dire need of a re-work, because for a massive number of users who only want a computer for basic office / internet work, todays PCs are no faster than they were 10 years ago. Ok, video works, gaming and such like, yes, but for normal computing, you might as well stick to a 386 cos they do the same job.
Aye, but there's the rub. How are they going to sell you a new computer in 3-5 years if your current one meets all your needs and is not physically broken? I think that planned obsolescence is a big part of the PC marketplace. The software side of this is even worse. MS has been fighting their own success for a long time. Around the time of Windows 98, Office became a mature and stable product. It did what most people wanted an office suite to do. They then started digging for features. You start to get in trouble when you add the paper clip and sell it as one version, then take the paper clip out and try to sell it again as a different version. Sure, Win2k might meet your needs but, alas, we won't support it anymore because it is as old as the hills. Move on, luddite.

/dons aluminum foil bowler derby.
 
dude too much text making me sleepy reading it all.... i agree that linux is a very nice os but its incomputable with many apps i am used to and many apps i need to simulate certain things for my degree. if linux programmers is able to install/run/write more apps like them, then its great for a office pc or server at home but i never put it on my gamming one... again XD
 
Aye, but there's the rub. How are they going to sell you a new computer in 3-5 years if your current one meets all your needs and is not physically broken? I think that planned obsolescence is a big part of the PC marketplace. The software side of this is even worse. MS has been fighting their own success for a long time. Around the time of Windows 98, Office became a mature and stable product. It did what most people wanted an office suite to do. They then started digging for features. You start to get in trouble when you add the paper clip and sell it as one version, then take the paper clip out and try to sell it again as a different version. Sure, Win2k might meet your needs but, alas, we won't support it anymore because it is as old as the hills. Move on, luddite.

/dons aluminum foil bowler derby.


The thing is that Win98 also met everyones needs at the time too.. SAme as 95 before that and even the move from DOS to Win3 was also met with a level of distrust IIRC.

No, Im all for change, but in typical American fashion, We are kind of forced to move when in truth there is no real benefit at all in doing so. If there is a real reason to change, then I will be there, but while there is no reason other than being told we need to, then thats just being a sheep.

Oh, and might I add, that Windows XP and Windows 2000 are, for most things the exact same thing. The differences are so small, that if something works in XP, it is probably going to work in 2000, and with the exception of a small number of games, everythign is the same.

So, while there is support for XP, there will still be support for 2K, whether it is supported by MS or not, makes no difference because XP drivers also work in 2K unless they have been specifically written to NOT work on 2K.

Unless of course you are talking about my suspicious love for my old Atari machines, then in this case I can only say 2 things ( Undeservedly long thigns but thats me )

1 - I have built up a software base that is quite simply shocking. Most of the software is PD/Shareware of course, but all shareware that I use, has been bought and paid for as is the way, and there is a lot of it. My PCs can do nothing that my Ataris cannot other than play 3D Games

2 - Music writing.
I pride myself on writing my own music, its from scratch and I use the Atari to record my music, arrange it and whatever, but I dont cheat. I dont use any kind of special effects, I dont use any stupid and silly tools that seem to come with PC software, I dont need them because I have the skills to not need them. I am happy to use CuBase Audio on my Falcon and Score on my TT and they do the job asked of them. I tried to move to the PC, but putting it simply, when I tried to play my music back, I found that the timing was going all to ****, it was slow then sped up then slowed down again.. Absolutely awful. I am used to perfect timing and the PC just did not give that.

So, I went back to my trusty Ataris.

To called me a luddite is all very well, but sometimes, progress is not progress at all.

Oh, and by the way, My Atari Falcon also runs multiple OSes too!

I have TOS, GEM, MiNT ( Thing ), Magic ( Jinnee ), NeoDesk ( Geneva ) and also Oases and Debian Linux
 
0.0 i learnt c in uni but i dought i learnt everything to know about it... may be i can do something with c on it :P

dude too much text making me sleepy reading it all.... i agree that linux is a very nice os but its incomputable with many apps i am used to and many apps i need to simulate certain things for my degree. if linux programmers is able to install/run/write more apps like them, then its great for a office pc or server at home but i never put it on my gamming one... again XD


I'm sorry, I can't take it any more of your awesomely stupid writing and spelling skills.

You are a disgrace. Which Uni are you going to? I suggest you supplement your studies with additional language courses.

Forget learning C (of which you DEFINITELY didn't learn everything about) or Linux; learn spelling and grammar or at least how to use a spell checker.

In fact, the more you pain me to think about it, I doubt (not "dought") you are able to do any long divisions.

I am normally tolerant of your type of posts, but someone at Uni
should really know better. So, I make no apology for my post, and I hope you consider it a wake up call.

Good day.
 
Oh dear... An Atarian

Might be some Friction here now !!

hehe

Then again.. Our camp is so embroiled in legalese it might be another decade before anything else gets updated.
 
Oh dear... An Atarian

Oh dear... a NON-Atarian.

Why for you do dat?

I have stuck with my ataris since year dot ( so to speak ) and sure, I use my PCs too.

The thing is, that for years now, people have laughed at me and asked why I am using an Atari because they cant do this or they cant do that, and yet every single time, when they have come round to my house and seen what they can actually do, and let me add here, that the Amiga also has the same B/S said about it, and yet, they prove time and time again, that they can do the very same things that even the best PC can do, with the exception of 3D Rendering and games, but apart from that... there is NOTHING that my PCs can do, that my Ataris cannot.

In many things, my Atari is actually superior to my PCs too!

For example, I use Papyrus Office for my office type work ( SpreadSheet / Word Processing etc ) and I have full 100% pixel-precise control over the display... I mean, things like the gap between lines of text... I can set this pixel perfect to get an extra line of text onto the page... I can set each pixel horizontally too... Not just for each line or each word, but for each character should I wish to do so. May not sound like much, but when nothign I have o na PC does it,. you realise just how poor it is to NOT have it.

I access the internet, read EMails, play MP3s write music, record direct to disk music, edit and record videos and burn them to disk when I have finished, and apart from 3D Gaming, the PC offers me NOTHING that I cannot do on an Atari.

I think that many PC users also need to understand a few things like this too!

I will give you a perfect example of the state of the PC world right now...

A Friend of mine has been using a Celeron 466 with 128MB RAM and Windows 98 for some years now. They have kept it as clean as possible and its been running great. Now a few weeks ago, they got hold of a Celeron 2.53 with 256MB and Windows XP and guess what? - its many many times slower than their old one. They asked me to clean it out and I have doen what I can, but there is only so much you can do.

The fact is, that they increased their RAM 2-fold and they increated their processor power 5-fold and yet their PC is slower???

PCs have a lot to answer for here.

So, with such examples as that, give me one reason why I should not like to use My Ataris ?

Oh, and why the link to the desktop pic about friction?
 
I wasn't taking the ****... It was in reference to the old Atari/Amiga rivalry..

I'm an Amigan and agree with you.

That pic is a screengrab of my AmigaONE G4 PPC
 
Ah, right.

You see, that looks like a PC screenshot doesnt it?

I have not got a screengrabber in my Atari. Never seen the need to, so I will install one later on and grab a screenie off my Falcon and off my TT

Both these are kind of in bits at the moment.

The TT, I am only giving it a full 5 year update in that I have gone through the PSU and replaced all the components, and I have literally finished replacing components on the Main Board last week... Right now, what I am doing, is re-spraying the Case in black, and swapping the Fans over for LED ones, and im only waiting for new fans to arrive before throwing it all back together.

The Falcon is kind of in bits becuse I have just bought a CT63 for it, its now running of an ATX PSU and as you may know, there is simply no room in the normal case for a CT63 ( 68060 @ 110Mhz & 256MB ) and a PC PSU, so thats all spread out over the desktop.

I am also on the lookout for a PC Tower... But not just any one cos it needs to be suitable to fit the Falcon and so far, of the 4 I have, none will even come close to being good enough... I might be adapting my Antec 900 or maybe the TT Armour might do, I have not had a proper shufty in those yet.
 
How about a 20 year old Atari being able to run Windows or Mac under a Virtual Machine?

http://www.fatrakoon.co.uk/atari/screen/avnc_win.gif

http://www.fatrakoon.co.uk/atari/screen/avnc_mac.gif

Dont get me wrong... None of the stock Atari Machines have a hope in hell of doing that, nor could a stock Amiga, and if oyu really thought about it, nor could a stock PC either... The PC has changed massively over its original basic computer, just the same as the Amiga and the Atari has developed massively too, as has the Mac of course, but they still keep on judging the Atari on its first ever machine ( ST ) and the AMiga on its first machine ( A500 ) and as we both know... The scene has moved so far away from those original machines that they hardly have any similarities anymore.

But of course, just try telling that to PC owners.
 
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