Logo Design

fez · 16 Apr 2012 at 14:12

BaileyDesign said:
True, but reflecting on what's been said, I think the argument for work being "professional" is neverending and will always be disputed.

Because the client is unlikely to be particularly knowledgeable about web design / development you are relied upon to produce work to a professional standard or explain to the client why they won't get certain standard services.

You won't be very popular if your client asks you one day to give them the logo to put on a 10ft banner and you explain to him that you have made a raster logo rather than bitmap. You may end up doing the logo again at a later stage.

gord · 16 Apr 2012 at 14:39

fez said:
You won't be very popular if your client asks you one day to give them the logo to put on a 10ft banner and you explain to him that you have made a raster logo rather than bitmap.

Bitmaps are rastered images...

fez · 16 Apr 2012 at 16:44

gord said:
Bitmaps are rastered images...

Whoops, meant vector. I even had a quick check that raster was the word I was looking for and still typed bitmap instead of vector!

BaileyDesign · 17 Apr 2012 at 18:29

fez said:
Because the client is unlikely to be particularly knowledgeable about web design / development you are relied upon to produce work to a professional standard or explain to the client why they won't get certain standard services.

You won't be very popular if your client asks you one day to give them the logo to put on a 10ft banner and you explain to him that you have made a raster logo rather than bitmap. You may end up doing the logo again at a later stage.

Haha , I totally understand

Never really thought of the importance of making my produce into vectors. Thanks for the heads up, and i suppose it will prevent further implications with my work.

GravyMonster · 17 Apr 2012 at 19:18

I'm glad you've taken the criticism in this thread positively BaileyDesign. You're work shows definite potential. If you get hold of a copy of Illustrator* and get yourself a good grounding in vector graphics, as well as basic design principles such as colour theory, white space etc. I think it would really help you along - assuming design is something you want to take seriously as a career.

*Legally of course. Ahem

Bleek · 18 Apr 2012 at 09:37

And start charging appropriately for your time so you don't ruin the marketplace for other designers by creating a ridiculously low price benchmark!

GravyMonster · 18 Apr 2012 at 10:10

^ Yeah, that too

BaileyDesign · 18 Apr 2012 at 16:57

Spunkey said:
^ Yeah, that too

In honesty i never charge for "time" only the actual product, I charge very little on the basis that I dont really think of money as a huge factor within graphic design, only as a bonus. The experience gained and the clients positive feedback is much more important to me than the money. And I will admit that I have only been designing for around 2 years now, so calling my work "professional" was totally OTT on reflection. But yeah, I do plan on choosing a course in college for either design or web development

Glad i came to overclockers, plenty of constructive criticism.

bloodiedathame · 18 Apr 2012 at 19:14

Wait until it is your career and you have to pay the mortgage, bills and everything else, then you'll realise that what you're doing is unsustainable.

That said there will always be a market for companies that want to spend £50 on a logo rather than £50k on a brand. For £50 I'd spend 2 maximum 3 hours on a logo.

Experience counts for a lot and will put you in good stead, but ultimately working for a graphic design agency or even learning how to design properly in college or university would be a very good idea. (Getting experience in an agency better than uni IMO).

BaileyDesign · 18 Apr 2012 at 19:58

bloodiedathame said:
Wait until it is your career and you have to pay the mortgage, bills and everything else, then you'll realise that what you're doing is unsustainable.

That said there will always be a market for companies that want to spend £50 on a logo rather than £50k on a brand. For £50 I'd spend 2 maximum 3 hours on a logo.

Experience counts for a lot and will put you in good stead, but ultimately working for a graphic design agency or even learning how to design properly in college or university would be a very good idea. (Getting experience in an agency better than uni IMO).

I see what you're saying, but for the moment being, as a 15 year old, money doesn't factorise as a huge part of graphic design to me

But i am seriously considering graphic / web design as a career path.

Limenote · 19 Apr 2012 at 00:03

BaileyDesign said:
I see what you're saying, but for the moment being, as a 15 year old, money doesn't factorise as a huge part of graphic design to me But i am seriously considering graphic / web design as a career path.

Its great to be motivated but if your client is happy with what you produce by all means charge him what he expects to pay. Don't trim down the fruits of your labour unless the end product is terrible/client is not happy at all.

BaileyDesign · 19 Apr 2012 at 08:11

Limenote said:
Its great to be motivated but if your client is happy with what you produce by all means charge him what he expects to pay. Don't trim down the fruits of your labour unless the end product is terrible/client is not happy at all.

I'll definitely put to use the advice given, I guess I'm under the pretense that i feel im charging too high, despite the fact that they dont know how much a certain product is.

Bleek · 19 Apr 2012 at 09:46

BaileyDesign said:
In honesty i never charge for "time" only the actual product, I charge very little on the basis that I dont really think of money as a huge factor within graphic design, only as a bonus.

People will take advantage of you!

I appreciate as a 'student' of design that you can't charge the going rate, but if you're happy with your work and it takes you a good length of time i.e. more than an hour, be confident charging appropriately. £50 is squat for a decent logo.

Realistically a professional and experienced designer will be charging £40-100 per hour which equates to many hundreds if not thousands for a logo, they will also factor client consultations in the final price.

As mentioned above there is indeed a market for cheap logo design (the sub £100) price range, so hoover them up because it's fodder and once again, charge.

BaileyDesign · 19 Apr 2012 at 10:35

Bleek said:
People will take advantage of you!

I appreciate as a 'student' of design that you can't charge the going rate, but if you're happy with your work and it takes you a good length of time i.e. more than an hour, be confident charging appropriately. £50 is squat for a decent logo.

Realistically a professional and experienced designer will be charging £40-100 per hour which equates to many hundreds if not thousands for a logo, they will also factor client consultations in the final price.

As mentioned above there is indeed a market for cheap logo design (the sub £100) price range, so hoover them up because it's fodder and once again, charge.

I definitely realise now, that i should be charging much much more. I think i'll charge around £25 an hour from now on as most logo's take around 1-2 maybe 3 hours