London Bridge Incident

Brainwashed into thinking that killing innocent people is ok??

Do you think all Muslim kids are brainwashed into thinking that killing innocent people is ok and is doing gods work so to speak??

yes, that first part is what he said, it seems like a fairly reasonable assumption to make too - it doesn't imply that for all muslim kids though, you're not really able to think about this very clearly if you're going to make frankly stupid inferences like that

one of the attackers was reported by a neighbour as trying to convert her sons and as having made rather dubious comments about previous attacks - the idea that such an attacker would also radicalise their kids isn't exactly far fetched, it seems rather likely - your head in the sand denial and then allegation that the other poster is inferring this is the case for *all* muslims is just ridiculous and you should perhaps engage your brain before flying off the handle at someone like that, I've avoided quoting the last line of your post where you use a derogatory term
 
Problems caused by, oh yeah invading their country causing a war that has destabilized vast regions and allowed groups who shout the loudest to radicalise. Not to mention all those innocent dead. Sounds almost like a really really terrible version of what we've seen in the last few weeks. It's taken some people on here a lot less time to start sounding a bit radical.

The people in this country doing this are brainwashed yes but they aren't brainwashed because we're being nice to them, they have a fairly legitimate reason got being ****** off.

I'm not at all dismissive of the results of the UK foreign policy in the ME but there is much more to it than that - you can't turn a blind eye to the actions of Islamic fundamentalism that has been going on much longer and the consequences of that when you have an influx of people from regions that have had that going on within them. Some of the people carrying out these attacks are several generations removed from the countries you are talking about above.
 
Update for people travelling tomorrow - London Bridge (National Rail) will be exit-only. The bridge will also be closed. The Tube will run, but only Tooley Street entrance will be open.

TfL info at https://tfl.gov.uk/campaign/london-bridge-incident, see http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/ for commuter services.

You might be able to go home from Waterloo East but South Bermondsey looks like a better bet at this point.
 
I'm not at all dismissive of the results of the UK foreign policy in the ME but there is much more to it than that - you can't turn a blind eye to the actions of Islamic fundamentalism that has been going on much longer and the consequences of that when you have an influx of people from regions that have had that going on within them. Some of the people carrying out these attacks are several generations removed from the countries you are talking about above.

I understand that, but we were instrumental in turning a few into many, where there is a cause there will be people willing to take action. It definitely takes a lunatic or desperation to be part of terrorism instead of protest. If anything we attracted the crazy to ourselves. We'll we didn't our lying government at the time did. It has baffled me for a very long time that given the backlash at the time that the Labour party/Blair went ahead with it.
 
The Saudis need to be dealt with... instead of giving them money, kissing their hands, and leaders pulling their pants down and bending over for them, they need to seriously address the funding that the saudis give to extremist groups, until then the issue will never be resolved.
 
Brainwashed into thinking that killing innocent people is ok??

Do you think all Muslim kids are brainwashed into thinking that killing innocent people is ok and is doing gods work so to speak??

He didn't say all, he was referring to the suspect's children. Not exactly a hard conclusion to jump to now is it? If someone is so full of hatred and twisted enough to kill innocent people, then they're easily capable of brainwashing an easily influenced child.
 
Does getting hit in the jaw count as a head shot? I can't imagine how you'd survive otherwise, let alone fully recover.
I was actually just editing that. I was wondering if say clipping the side of your head would count as a head shot. It is the dailymail so I'm more inclined to believe it to be jaw or clipping rather than into the skull, journalistic clickbait. Although I'm no doctor so for all I know you can survive a head shot in some "lucky" circumstances.
Hopefully the round past though the terrorist or something first slowing it down.
Could be possible.

Just glad really.
 
I was actually just editing that. I was wondering if say clipping the side of your head would count as a head shot. It is the dailymail so I'm more inclined to believe it to be jaw or clipping rather than into the skull, journalistic clickbait. Although I'm no doctor so for all I know you can survive a head shot in some "lucky" circumstances.

Could be possible.

Just glad really.

So many variables - you ain't for instance going to survive a 50 cal entering your forehead and exiting out the back :s a pistol round from say a few hundred yards might just push through the skull and stop short of anything vital.

While not a bullet then you have stuff like Josie Russell - probably similar that have happened with bullets but I don't know them off the top of my head.
 
So many variables - you ain't for instance going to survive a 50 cal entering your forehead and exiting out the back :s a pistol round from say a few hundred yards might just push through the skull and stop short of anything vital.

While not a bullet then you have stuff like Josie Russell - probably similar that have happened with bullets but I don't know them off the top of my head.

Sadly I've seen an image of a large calibre head shot (thanks reddit live team...) and there was no surviving that from any angle.

My ballistics expertise is gained primarily from Battlefield and Hollywood so I really have no clue what could be survived or not.

I'm just happy some good news has come of this.
 
My ballistics expertise is gained primarily from Battlefield and Hollywood so I really have no clue what could be survived or not.

My ballistic expertise comes from spending way too much time watching demolition ranch and FPS Russia back when it was sort of good.
 
people have survied them before ( you can live with shocking amounts of brain damage) see phinius gauge for about the first most documented case of major brain injury. ( although it was a rail spike fired out of a pneumatic tool that went through his brain)

irx hes what gave them the idea to lobotomose people
 
I guess its the bullet bouncing around in your skull that does most of the damage

Yeah depending on the type of round and how its travelling bullets can roll and tumble through tissue on impact or be deflected on random trajectories plus some types can fragment quite badly.

Fullmag used to do quite a few different tests with ballistic gel - for instance what happens if you get hit by a hollow point (don't) :

http://imgur.com/Uk5C26z
 
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