London Bridge Incident

[DrToffnar]

Maybe it's the constant demonisation of their religion, by institutions like the media - 24/7/365

I'm not saying that Islam is completely *innocent* but I think a lot of the problems we have, could quite possibly be down to the bullish nature of how society treats followers of Islam, I don't think that means it's societies fault either, but I think creates an 'us and them' mentality (created by both sides) which is very hard to get away from once it's reached that point.

I think there's some truth to this, though I think it's less the media on our side and more the public in general. It's tribal and seems to just flow down the bloodlines. My ex was from a Muslim background and whilst she decided early on in her life not to pursue her families faith, the abuse she sometimes got whilst out in public was despicable. There was even an incident when we where out together and I got called a race traitor (I'm white British). We where followed for a good few minutes. Wasn;t like it was a rough area either, fairly aspiring middle class. She had friends that got it even worse. It just drives a knife between communities of people.

Not too say that there AREN'T despicable people out there actively recruiting for these groups, but... you know...

 

[Greebo]

According to polling, 2/3 British Muslims would not inform the police if they had information relating to a terrorist report. If that is not a damning indictment, I don't know what is.

Except 22,000 of them ring the terrorist hotline every year including on the ones at the weekend yet nothing is done about it??????????

 

[glenimp617]

The likes of Fox News doesn't help. They have on their website today that the UK is now considering a Burka ban due to the recent attacks.

 

[Greebo]

The likes of Fox News doesn't help. They have on their website today that the UK is now considering a Burka ban due to the recent attacks.

And Trump saying Katie Hopkins is the Uk's voice of reason.............................

 

[XeNoN89]

The likes of Fox News doesn't help. They have on their website today that the UK is now considering a Burka ban due to the recent attacks.

We should have a ban anyway - it's not a religious thing it's a cultural one and several other european countries have already banned them

 

[iamtheoneneo]

The likes of Fox News doesn't help. They have on their website today that the UK is now considering a Burka ban due to the recent attacks.

That will happen, maybe not next month but within a few years. absolutely.

 

[glenimp617]

I do sometimes wonder if we are playing in their hands.

Sky News reporting: "IS have claimed responsibility for the attack"

Why give them publicity? why not simply say "Idiots responsible for attack"

 

[Neil79]

I'm not a fan of Katie, but she speaks the truth time and time again regarding the problem!

 

[mid_gen]

Are there any circumstances under which you would betray your nation to murder and maim your bellow Britons at the behest of a foreign group?

No, but then I'm not an increasingly marginalised and publicly despised minority. I can imagine someone in that position is a lot more vulnerable to radicalistion, particularly when people start showing images of women and children of their faith being pulled dead from the rubble of their homes.

If people would start doing that because some people in the Yemen are accidentally killed, they don't deserve to be in this country.

I don't think anyone is saying that terrorists deserve to be in this country. Whether it's accidental or not doesn't matter, the images are still there, as Breitbart and co have shown, the facts don't matter, you can label an image however you like and people will believe it.

FWIW I do think the West needs to have a long hard look at citizenship. It's a problem at the moment, what do you do with home-grown radicals? You can't just make them stateless, you can't just bang them up indefinitely. Anti hate-speech laws could do with being strengthened, but the people clamouring for this need to be aware that it will also clamp down on the people that try to hold all Muslims accountable for the actions of a few.

 

[gam3r]

To be fair most of the muslim communities hate the scum just as much as everyone else.

Interesting that the DM (and I hate to cite DM as a source) are now reporting that one of the attackers is featured in this documentary which aired on C4 last year.

 

[Uther]

Interesting that the DM (and I hate to cite DM as a source) are now reporting that one of the attackers is featured in this documentary which aired on C4 last year.

Yep, filmed with an isis flag apparently. He should have been banged up for that.

 

[Robbo]

Yep, filmed with an isis flag apparently. He should have been banged up for that.

The police need to go over all of this footage and apprehend anyone praying to an ISIS flag or doing anything along these lines - does this even need to be said?! Mental.

 

[Greebo]

I'm not a fan of Katie, but she speaks the truth time and time again regarding the problem!

That they are doing it due to lack of food? She is a nutcase.

 

[Vonhelmet]

And Trump saying Katie Hopkins is the Uk's voice of reason.............................

Katie Hopkins is not the voice of reason in her own house, let alone the country.

 

[Rilot]

She is a ridiculous woman.

 

[Above&Beyond]

Maybe it's the constant demonisation of their religion, by institutions like the media - 24/7/365

I'm not saying that Islam is completely *innocent* but I think a lot of the problems we have, could quite possibly be down to the bullish nature of how society treats followers of Islam, I don't think that means it's societies fault either, but I think creates an 'us and them' mentality (created by both sides) which is very hard to get away from once it's reached that point.

You can't pin this on the media, the only ones to blame are the Muslim terrorists and their Islamic scholars they look up to. If anything Islam gets an easier time than Christianity in terms of ridicule due to the media being scared to lampoon it.

 

[Felon]

Is it not the hardliners within the faith that have created an us and them situation though? Why have we not had this issue with other Asian or Middle Eastern communities? Parts of the Islamic culture look down on our every day life as blasphemous. I'm not saying we are entirely innocent but you are making it sound like all Muslims are the same and all Muslims want to integrate and adopt our way of life. Do you believe they all want to integrate but our negativity has prevented them doing it?

Islam has big problems, I'm not excusing it - hardline Islamic fundamentalism is the root cause, I have no problem admitting this.

But the current strategy isn't working, despite all the warnings, all the preparations, all the terror threats - we've been hit three times in three months, do we continue to do more of the same and somehow expect a different result?

On the question of integration, I can see a pathway within Islam - where certain perhaps 'impressionable' followers, could become 'triggered' by seeing endless media coverage of ISIS - the endless, unabated distribution of propaganda by the media, in my mind makes it more likely that some losers will be sucked in by it, in turn become radicalised, trigger an attack - which generates endless media coverage, which alienates communities, which ultimately hurts integration, relations, everything - and creates a gigantic vicious circle.

Is this a joke? Western media is constantly bending over backwards to excuse Islam. How many times have we heard the refrain "peaceful Muslims" or stories about a "brave Muslim" who raised some money for the victims of their co-religionist? Heck, the media went to great lengths to ignore stories about rape gangs and so forth.

The only reason you hear and see so much so-called "demonisation" is that it's impossible to cover up the sheer volume of the evil Islamism inflicts in our societies.

I think you're totally wrong.

http://cass.lancs.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/CASS-Islam-final.pdf

When the news played video of ISIS burning that pilot alive in a cage, and it was all over the front pages, explain to me how that's 'bending over backwards' to excuse Islam?

 

[Skunkworks]

Maybe it's the constant demonisation of their religion, by institutions like the media - 24/7/365

I'm not saying that Islam is completely *innocent* but I think a lot of the problems we have, could quite possibly be down to the bullish nature of how society treats followers of Islam, I don't think that means it's societies fault either, but I think creates an 'us and them' mentality (created by both sides) which is very hard to get away from once it's reached that point.

I'd say Islamic dysfunction has caused Islamic disdain, not the other way round.

 

[Above&Beyond]

Islam has big problems, I'm not excusing it - hardline Islamic fundamentalism is the root cause, I have no problem admitting this.

But the current strategy isn't working, despite all the warnings, all the preparations, all the terror threats - we've been hit three times in three months, do we continue to do more of the same and somehow expect a different result?

On the question of integration, I can see a pathway within Islam - where certain perhaps 'impressionable' followers, could become 'triggered' by seeing endless media coverage of ISIS - the endless, unabated distribution of propaganda by the media, in my mind makes it more likely that some losers will be sucked in by it, in turn become radicalised, trigger an attack - which generates endless media coverage, which alienates communities, which ultimately hurts integration, relations, everything - and creates a gigantic vicious circle.

We aren't going to appease them in case they blow themselves up. If they are so warped they think that's a rational response to the free press then lock them up.

 

[Yas786]

We should have a ban anyway - it's not a religious thing it's a cultural one and several other european countries have already banned them

While we are at it, might as well ban democracy...you know that small thing that allows a person to wear what they like without the fear of being persecuted.

For the record I'm not a fan of the burka, hate the things and think it does not fit into British society. But we live in a society that allows people to wear what they like.