well personally I'm just a bit cynical about the virtue signalling and lack of actual action by the likes of the MCB etc.. great they put out a press release and said some nice words... so what? How about not inviting over preachers who advocating killing jews or how about not given out conservative advice re: schooling to muslim parents that actively inhibits integration etc..
London Bridge Incident
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well personally I'm just a bit cynical about the virtue signalling and lack of actual action by the likes of the MCB etc.. great they put out a press release and said some nice words... so what? How about not inviting over preachers who advocating killing jews or how about not given out conservative advice re: schooling to muslim parents that actively inhibits integration etc..
Really, seems to me then that you are suggesting some legitimacy to this attack, murdering people?
If that is what you believe then you are a sympathiser imo, you do realise that ISLAMIC terrorism didnt only start when we invaded Iraq, take a look at ISLAMIC terrorism for say the past 100 years, Rroff was right earlier, you need to read.
Why? What legitimate reason do they have?
Lol so much stupid in one post. When did we invade the UK, Libya, Syria? What about Islamic terrorism pre 21st century? What about Islamic attacks in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan?
Take a look at American/British Foreign policy over 100 years and you'll see exactly the same thing, 100 years is not nearly enough, but whatever you'll never agree so i won't bother.
Lol so much stupid in one post. When did we invade the UK, Libya, Syria? What about Islamic terrorism pre 21st century? What about Islamic attacks in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...lled-air-strike-isil-held-raqqa-hits-shelter/
It happens, and thats all that matters.
So why don't we have Africans and South Americans blowing themselves up left right and centre?
Why don't we have angry French, Belgians, Italians and Dutch trying to kill us? They suffered far more accidental deaths during ww2.
Still the same issues in countries we let alone the US didn't touch. The point being it is a complex issue that you have to take into account much more than recent US/UK foreign policy if you ever want to really do something about.
What country has the US not touched, i'll disprove it within minutes.
I'm what many would consider to be a pretty hardline Atheist, I have zero time for religion in my life, I have no love for Islam I can assure you.
It's not about pandering to anyone, it's about trying to solve a serious problem that threatens us, and we're at the end of a decade and a half of seeing the same old strategy playing out time and time again, a flawed strategy that isn't working.
The strategy doesn't work, because nowhere does it address the root cause of the problem - islamic radicalisation. From where I sit the vast majority of money, time and effort has been thrown at reactive solutions that seek to detect an stop problems that already exist, rather than proactive solutions that stop the problems forming in the first place regardless of who's fault it is.
I put it to you, that if you look at the evidence and the way things play out, with the hysterical, repeated saturation coverage - that the media can be directly implicated in assisting with the radicalisation of Islam, just like how the lymph nodes transport cancer - the media transport radical messages directly to the places where it does no good whatsoever.
What has happened, has come directly out of the playbook in the US with mass shootings. Where you have a mass shooting followed by hysterical saturation coverage, in the following weeks there are almost always repeated copycat attacks, almost every time.
Of course they would.
But we're not talking about normal white men called bob and ben who sit in the greasy spoon looking at page 3, we're talking about devout people who take their faith very seriously, and they don't like being insulted,
Now, I could say **** them - it's their fault for being delicate and on a hair trigger, they need to sort themselves out - but I doubt that would work, and so we need to try a bit harder.
The alternative is, round them up in internment camps, deportations, armed forces on the streets, severe internet restriction, close down mosques, Guantanamo bay II, etc etc etc - which a lot of people on this forum (including probably yourself) would get behind, but I'd practically guarantee within 3 years of all of that, we'd see the worst terrorist attacks we could imagine.
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That's not why they are attacking though and Isis isn't out for revenge for these incidents. They are out to create an Islamic caphilate...
Well no ****, but you tell me that if parts of your family or friends were being slaughter day in and day out (they have large friend/family groups generally), that you would look at "+30 dead in a school filled with refugees" and think man the West is really nice?
I really don't care about the middle east or its denizens at all, but i hate reality being molded to fit the "Lets just bomb them some more" and authority clamp down arguments.
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And here lies the problem. Islam is fundemental by nature.
They wont integrate with us so it's up to us to integrate with them? Oh hell no.
Depend's which man you ask, you don't care but me on the other hand.
In the context of your 100+ years - there are countries where we can see the issues with Islamic fundamentalism going back way beyond the days where they might have interacted with the US's foreign policy.
Surely, integration is a two way process, whilst I'm not advocating attending the mosque tonight (or ever) we have to accept them for who they are, we have to accept their culture into our society, we can't accept them when they're blowing themselves up in pop concerts, and they can't accept us - when we're demonising them 24/7 for blowing themselves up, in a hellish circle of pain.
The way I see it, like or hate it - these people and their culture are here to stay, there's no getting rid of them, ever, so... We have to figure out a way of getting along, otherwise those forensics chaps in white suits are going to be picking up more and more bits of children - which nobody wants.
My worry is, it'll end up going on like this for decades - hatred of Islam will become more aggressive, Islam will feel more alienated than ever, ultimately we'll all suffer from it.
People want strife, let them have it.
Ahh, that old chestnut, change the time line, apologist talk.