Soldato
I’m not saying LTN is a panacea. But need to do something to discourage driving in London.
I am a big proponent of ULEZ and fixing fumes too!
London pollution & ULEZ
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I am a big proponent of ULEZ and fixing fumes too!
LTNs fix rat running, high speed driving through local residential roads, noise levels. They make what is purely residential roads nicer to live in. ULEZ, electric cars etc won't fix this. My roads is lovely outside 7-9:30 and 3-7pm, but within these times people race round the narrow roads to skip one set of traffic lights.
Soldato
The problem is when there is a realistic lack of alternatives.
I lived in Paris back in the early 90s. Because I took public transport to work, they had to pay for half the monthly travel pass.
Cost to me £30 a month for unlimited travel in all zones. It worked, was clean, reliable. Why would I ever own a car?
London needs:
+ Better, cheaper public transport
+ Big well managed car share schemes
+ The graph above showed 67% of car journeys on London are less than 3 miles. The vast majority of those should be walked.
I lived in Paris back in the early 90s. Because I took public transport to work, they had to pay for half the monthly travel pass.
Cost to me £30 a month for unlimited travel in all zones. It worked, was clean, reliable. Why would I ever own a car?
London needs:
+ Better, cheaper public transport
+ Big well managed car share schemes
+ The graph above showed 67% of car journeys on London are less than 3 miles. The vast majority of those should be walked.
I never bought the "encouraged to buy diesel" thing.
Everyone with any brain knew then and still knows now how dirty is diesel.
And these cars were like all other cars advertised with 0-60 in under crazy seconds, made a lot of noise, a lot of them were 4x4.
Anyone who bought them and said they were doing anything green was totally deluded.
Yes, governments could and should have done more by tackling the motor industry's marketing, but judging by the glee with which the Tory press is approaching this (Telegraph headline "Why cars could hold the key to a Conservative victory") any sensible measure to tackle the car culture is electoral suicide.
Soldato
I’m betting the vast majority of the 10% of cars that wouldn’t be ULEZ compliant caught by the expansion weren’t bought new at the time either. They’ll be 2nd, 3rd or more owner cars bought because they were cheap to begin with, low tax and mega MPG*.
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Which bring back my earlier point:
If councils were legally obliged to have a minimum 2 metre wide pavement - and of course wider where it is busier.
If junctions were far more pedestrian friendly.
If side roads did not break pavements, with a ramp kerpstone a max speed of 10 mph when turning, and cars had to cross them like they were a zebra crossing.
If instead of onstreet parking there were trees, plants and street furniture.
Then a lot more short journey would be walked.
Maybe, even children would be allowed to walk to school, and OAPs would feel safe to cross roads - locally older people have to try to cross near dual lane roundabout near the town centre.
Add cycling infrastructure and almost nobody would take a car for such short journey.
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Soldato
Thread on the suspicious bot-farm or similar ULEZ campaign. It's a lengthy thread, click through to read.
This is how the next election will be fought: wedge issues and technology.
This is how the next election will be fought: wedge issues and technology.
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So it cost £60 a month for a Paris travel pass in the 90s, 23-33 years ago? I don’t get the relevance of this at all. Also london has by far one of if not the best public transport system in the world. Paris has nothing on it. Also thinking most journeys under 3 miles should be walked is bonkers, from a time and practicality perspective.
Most of the people being hurt by this are people in zones 3, 4, 5 and 6 where the solution is not just ‘walk’ or get a bus, these areas are sprawling and for a typical family a car is the only way to realistically get about.
The sooner khan is ousted the better.
Soldato
I predict...
Khan will be out on his ear.
The Cons will do their best to dump it.
Starmer will be terrified of losing votes over it.
Does it need doing? Probably.
Is now the right time? Probably not.
Will it be the usual half arsed bodge the Brits are famous for when implemented? Of course...
Khan will be out on his ear.
The Cons will do their best to dump it.
Starmer will be terrified of losing votes over it.
Does it need doing? Probably.
Is now the right time? Probably not.
Will it be the usual half arsed bodge the Brits are famous for when implemented? Of course...
Soldato
Agree with all but the first. All Khan has to do is remind everyone he is providing free school meals for all which is the sort of policy that would make the Kippers/Tories puke.
I found it very frustrating when it was time to replace my lease car a few years ago that diesels were the cheaper option. I ended up getting dpf issues. I learnt the lesson and bought a silly car that I use about once a week for longer journeys and a bicycle.
I think the other thing is people need to see others making the change. Society has normalised the school run mum driving in her fashion SUV and this has fueled more people driving. Now people consciously or subconsciously don't feel safe outside their big car. Inner London has started to see this change, people started switching to cycling, cycle lanes were built and more people started cycling. Now more and more road space is being allocated to cycle lanes and driving becomes less and less desirable. A plan to tackle on street parking is now needed.
Soldato
I'm assuming everyone in favour will no longer be flying anywhere on holiday again, considering the environmental impact that has?
Cycle holidays will get popular.
Cycle holidays will get popular.
Abled bodied people just transporting themselves and maybe a bag should be cycling these journeys. It's what, 15 minutes? How long do you think it would take to drive this door to door in London? The obesity crisis wouldn't exist if people weren't so lazy as to not wanting to move under their own power and prepare their own meals. People look at me strangely when they see me cycling to and from work but the queue to get out of the industrial estate at 5pm takes longer then my entire journey.
Caporegime
Should ban cars from the roads around schools during peak hours (exceptions for residents, and parents of children with disabilities, etc. allowed). And we need to start taking strong action against SUVs/crossovers - pointlessly dangerous and inefficient. At least, we're not as bad as the US.
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Soldato
You could start letting their tyres down like those loonies do
SUV type cars are very popular with people who have mobility issues, but screw 'em, let them take the (non existant where I live) bus.
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So why not just enable ltn only during those peak hours? Say from 7 to 10 and 3 to 7pm.
And allow residence who actually live there to use and drive through there whenever they want to. And also allow for residence to buy ltn access permits so that if they had booked a tradesmen to come over in the morning to do some work, they can
3 miles is a lot of walking tbh.
Especially for unfit person.
I would say cycling is better mate.
And that's another thing, cycling in london is quite dangerous and most cyclist should imo take theory road tests because most of the cyclists don't have a clue about road eticate
I would cycle to the work but it's almost a 10mile cycle and half the roads along the route are not cycle friendly lol
So you are not part of the 2/3rds of people driving less then 3 miles. Wouldn't you prefer it those people were not on the roads, queuing ahead of you at the traffic lights etc?