London pollution & ULEZ

Voltar said:
I’m really pleased that the High Court allowed it.. Shame it’s during his election year that he does this as the timing feels cynical and too late. It’s a start and I can now point to something he has done as mayor. But he needs to do more on pollution.

Suspect that it’ll get appealed though.

Tbh it’s just not enough. If you know Islington at all you can see just how huge a difference LTNs have made to the streets, quiet, safe, air less filthy. It’s great.

Khan needs to get something in to prevent short distance travel. He also should consider a single occupancy tax to combat the logjam of cars with just the driver in them.

If it were me I’d add a car tax for London on top of it all that is paid like council tax. I’d also try to ban cars and all non essential vehicles- keep the emergency services and public transport and registered taxis.

People get emotive about cars but honestly during lockdown when no one was driving it was a totally different experience when it came to noise and air pollution.
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I'm well familiar with Islington and it's not as quiet as you think.

Have you not been through Essex road lately or the dreaded highbury corner? Or Holloway road?

Yes nice and quiet...
 
Voltar said:
I have yes. Those side streets and squares just off Essex road between that and upper street are now a lovely neighbourhood and a great example of LTN working.

Highbury Corner has always been well busy, but I suspect you already knew that. The “new” layout to the roundabout seems to make it a bit slower.

Holloway Road always busy.

The roads you cite are all busy main roads. Rat runs now free of cars nearby seems good to me!
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There are people that live along those main roads and schools close to it as well and now they are massively congested.

Ltn is not working, it just shifts the traffic elsewhere. Those quiet side roads are not the only place that has houses and schools. Imo ltn did not fix much if any.

The underline issue is the fumes on these cars and ulez fixes that more than ltn imo
 
Trifid said:
LTNs fix rat running, high speed driving through local residential roads, noise levels. They make what is purely residential roads nicer to live in. ULEZ, electric cars etc won't fix this. My roads is lovely outside 7-9:30 and 3-7pm, but within these times people race round the narrow roads to skip one set of traffic lights.
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So why not just enable ltn only during those peak hours? Say from 7 to 10 and 3 to 7pm.

And allow residence who actually live there to use and drive through there whenever they want to. And also allow for residence to buy ltn access permits so that if they had booked a tradesmen to come over in the morning to do some work, they can
 
Hodders said:
The problem is when there is a realistic lack of alternatives.

I lived in Paris back in the early 90s. Because I took public transport to work, they had to pay for half the monthly travel pass.

Cost to me £30 a month for unlimited travel in all zones. It worked, was clean, reliable. Why would I ever own a car?

London needs:
+ Better, cheaper public transport
+ Big well managed car share schemes
+ The graph above showed 67% of car journeys on London are less than 3 miles. The vast majority of those should be walked.
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3 miles is a lot of walking tbh.

Especially for unfit person.

I would say cycling is better mate.

And that's another thing, cycling in london is quite dangerous and most cyclist should imo take theory road tests because most of the cyclists don't have a clue about road eticate
 
Trifid said:
Abled bodied people just transporting themselves and maybe a bag should be cycling these journeys. It's what, 15 minutes? How long do you think it would take to drive this door to door in London? The obesity crisis wouldn't exist if people weren't so lazy as to not wanting to move under their own power and prepare their own meals. People look at me strangely when they see me cycling to and from work but the queue to get out of the industrial estate at 5pm takes longer then my entire journey.
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I would cycle to the work but it's almost a 10mile cycle and half the roads along the route are not cycle friendly lol
 
Trifid said:
So you are not part of the 2/3rds of people driving less then 3 miles. Wouldn't you prefer it those people were not on the roads, queuing ahead of you at the traffic lights etc?
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How do you know that those cars are just taking a 3mile drive?

Most of the cars seem to be vans and buses tbh.

I hate public transport because it's unreliable, expensive and lots of delays etc.

I rather cycle!
 
MichaelAwkward said:
Fly from a different airport then? Heathrow wasn’t designed just for you… jeez.

The point of ULEZ is to discourage the use of older more polluting vehicles in terms of certain particulates and speed up their replacement. It should apply across the entire country ideally, not just London, so that older vehicles are phased out quicker than they would’ve otherwise been.

I’m not sure why you’re sticking on the point about Heathrow. Every road contributes to lower air quality when older more polluting vehicles are still in use.
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Give up bro. Checkmate. He got you
 
bris said:
Nonsense, there are still perfectly good 30 year old cars on the road pe4rfectly working.

Euro 4 and 5 are no different apart from the fact the government want them off the road.

Its political, to do with emissions which is fair enough but its nonsense to think they are not perfectly good and well maintained cars.

Of course there a many on their last legs but you cant tar them all with the same brush.

Euro 6 cars will get old soon enough and then those too will be targeted.

Its not all about the cars, its also an easy money making scheme because the government knows not everyone can upgrade their cars every two or three years, so they get free cash from drivers who need to buy second hand older cars.
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And what's stopping from today's car being no longer ulez compliant 5 years from now?

Today it's euro 4 that's banned, euro 5 banned next week etc etc. It's a money making scheme. A perfect one to force everyone to upgrade there car
 
MichaelAwkward said:
Exactly so why are you arguing about it on a Saturday evening?

I think you need to step away from this thread Raymond.

Posting a map of where Heathrow is (as if anyone who’s ever been there doesn’t know it’s just inside the M25) didn’t add anything to the discussion.

If you’re gonna argue for it to be exempt you need to say why. So far all you’ve said is that there’s a lot of planes there - as if ULEZ has anything to do with their emissions.

If we’re making locations exempt just because they’re destinations to people outside of London and they’re just inside the M25, there’s gonna be a lot of places requesting exemption. And if we’re making it exempt because of the planes, City Airport will need to be exempt too. And the docks along the river as boats pollute too. Every building with a helipad in the city? Where does it end?
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Wasn't there many councils trying to get exempted?
 
bigmike20vt said:
wow.... do you still think the earth is flat, 5g messes with your brain and covid was a government conspiracy as well?. of course climate change is real..... of course the time you added is your own twaddle but I suspect even those here who disagree with the topic of this thread would admit we are adversely affecting the climate (adversely for us at least)
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And do you honestly think us humans are capable of destroying a whole freaking planet because of driving a car? Lol
 
Lightnix said:
To put it another way, moving around over a billion metal boxes that typically weigh over a ton each by combusting some stuff we pulled out of the ground. Yeah can't see how that could have an environmental impact at all.
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Its a planet. We are barely tickling it.

You do know that planets go through its own climate change cycle and we are just unlucky enough that we are in its era of happening. It's happened before a single human could ride a push bike let alone a car so please do some research and find out that planets go through there own cycle.

You and other climate activists are really not giving our planet any credit and think 150 years of industrial era can single handedly destroy a planets that's a million years older then you and I...
 
Kenai said:
It's not about whether we can destroy the planet, the planet will endure far more than we could ever throw at it. It's more about whether we're capable of ****ing things up enough to make it significantly less hospitable for ourselves.
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My point is that the planet doesn't give a crap about you, me and anyone else. It goes through its own cycle and species either adapt or be extincted
 
FoxEye said:
And? Cyclists should obey the speed limit too. Many cyclists can do more than 30mph, too.

This whole discussion is about residential areas, where statistics show that most fatal and serious accidents are already occuring.

And people think that it's unfair to be made to drive slowly in residential areas.

The mind literally boggles.
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Saying that, there has been many cycling incidents of cyclist running over pedestrian in london. So there's that
 
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