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Looking for a CPU and system for video editing for a beginner

humbug said:
Right, :) i could dump a 3900X into my system without changing a thing, Or, get this, a Ryzen 4000 next year.
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Just wait for the price to drop and get it from overclockers when Ryzen 4000 hits and not have to deal with any hassle. Gaming will be less that great on two xeons and the motherboard will be very old technology wise. I think the build works for just one task, if you want to game etc get something with a balance towards single thread like a ryzen 3000 cpu or even a 9900k. Single thread will be poor performance wise with the lower clock speed the xeons have.
 
I find myself reading this thread few months later in 2020 after i have made the decision of buying a single Xeon E5-2630 V2 in the form of a Dell T5610 workstation with the benefit of 2x 8GB 1333 DDR RAM, a 2GB Quadro K2000 and a 2TB HDD etc.. also for the purpose of mainly video editing which i am only a beginner at.

i paid £289.99 + £8 shipping cost!

please note that i can pick up the same E5 processor to benefit from the dual setup for just £25, and another Quadro K2000 to benefit from SLI configuration option for just £32, and i still have 6 empty RAM slots! not to speak of ditching the 2630V2 and getting a 2687W V2 which has a max turbo frequency of 4.00 GHz 8 cores 16 threads at that! i mean at least on paper these got to be good numbers right? but again that's another story at £180 per thinking brain i'd rather keep drinking coffee at the 25 quid hexcore thank you very much,

now after reading this thread i tried to configure a PC based on the AMD and i struggled with £300 given everything that forms a complete PC case! so please if anyone know a way of spending £300 on a better alternative while i can still return the workstation for a refund i would be really thankful.
 
1600 AF is 6 core but used second gen Ryzen. It's a great choice but hard to get hold of, approx £80.

1700 Ryzen CPU (or 1700x) should have more legs to it. They go for about £85-100 on eBay.

X370 motherboards go for £40-80

Brand new Corsair 3000mhz vengeance is £65 for 16GB.

Obviously you need to add a PSU and case and GPU. However you could upgrade to a Ryzen 2700x or 3700, 3950 on the same board. So the value proposition is different.

Also a Ryzen 1700 ( slowest 8 core you can buy) is 35% faster than the Xeon:
https://technical.city/en/cpu/Ryzen-7-1700-vs-Xeon-E5-2630-v2
 
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Dzoser said:
now after reading this thread i tried to configure a PC based on the AMD and i struggled with £300 given everything that forms a complete PC case! so please if anyone know a way of spending £300 on a better alternative while i can still return the workstation for a refund i would be really thankful.
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how about a system built around a 2600, £55 for 16gb of ram (team group vulcan from ocuk), mortar max motherboard (£85 ocuk), some cheapish case for around £40, bequiet 500w power supply (£55 ocuk), components all new with warranties, comes to about £340.

oh, and i'd cheat a little and put in my old r9 280 gpu :)
 
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Avalon said:
Oh look, someone reads the posts in r/homelab ... The days of suggesting v3/4 Xeon’s to people are numbered, Ryzen changed the game, you can buy an R1700 for £80 used, a cheap board is about half that, £65+ on 16GB and you have a platform that can grow with your needs, is power efficient and has a current gen upgrade path. It’ll also fit in a standard ATX case which seems to have been overlooked so far.

Dual V1/2 Xeon’s are just silly at this stage *UNLESS* you have/get the hardware stupidly cheap (the listing referenced is neither in the UK), in the US if you have cheap shipping, power and free/cheap racks/server hardware in abundance on Craigslist, then the numbers are different, but not in the UK having to pay shipping/import duty and return shipping if something goes wrong (several reports of DOA’s) and the ongoing power costs, it’s just flawed logic for this application.
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Dzoser said:
I find myself reading this thread few months later in 2020 after i have made the decision of buying a single Xeon E5-2630 V2 in the form of a Dell T5610 workstation with the benefit of 2x 8GB 1333 DDR RAM, a 2GB Quadro K2000 and a 2TB HDD etc.. also for the purpose of mainly video editing which i am only a beginner at.

i paid £289.99 + £8 shipping cost!

please note that i can pick up the same E5 processor to benefit from the dual setup for just £25, and another Quadro K2000 to benefit from SLI configuration option for just £32, and i still have 6 empty RAM slots! not to speak of ditching the 2630V2 and getting a 2687W V2 which has a max turbo frequency of 4.00 GHz 8 cores 16 threads at that! i mean at least on paper these got to be good numbers right? but again that's another story at £180 per thinking brain i'd rather keep drinking coffee at the 25 quid hexcore thank you very much,

now after reading this thread i tried to configure a PC based on the AMD and i struggled with £300 given everything that forms a complete PC case! so please if anyone know a way of spending £300 on a better alternative while i can still return the workstation for a refund i would be really thankful.
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In fairness you were given advice on set-up's that would outperform what you purchased by a considerable margin for less money, using less power and with better noise/thermals and future upgrade options, you made a choice to ignore it.
 
Have Intel infiltrated this forum to push their old stuff up against AMD now? Some of the posts in here seem like desperate attempts to keep Intel relevant by suggesting old stuff can even compare to what AMD have out now. It's quite absurd reading tbh.
 
Whilst the old stuff looks tempting is just not worth it. Total cost of ownership, not just monetary, needs to be considered.

Hassle and time putting it together.
No warranty.
Difficulty replacing parts.
Energy use.
Heat output.
Lack of upgrade path.
Less support for newer standards.

AM4 is the perfect platform for beginners, buy the right motherboard and you have a huge amount of room for upgrades as your budget and skills increase.
 
So you’re happy to list the upgrades you could buy/install to the existing workstation you saved from landfill purchased, but have some sort of strange objection to buying components for something better? C’mon, this is just getting silly now.
 
Let me rephrase simply

Best PC for £300

Hope that's simple enough to keep folks on point!

And if you do recommend something kindly direct me through a link to buy it altogether as a functional system not bits and pieces.. cheers.
 
Dzoser said:
Let me rephrase simply

Best PC for £300

Hope that's simple enough to keep folks on point!

And if you do recommend something kindly direct me through a link to buy it altogether as a functional system not bits and pieces.. cheers.
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May want to re-read the rules before going any further with that...
 
Apple's and oranges.

I want the best PC for £300, but I will not consider that new Vs old isn't comparable in the same way. If you want it cheap you should build it yourself. I've seen on eBay people selling PC's with a 2600 in them and 20GB ram for buy it now £400.

In the future consider if you actually want advice or whether you just want people to agree with you. Loads of people put time into giving you advice and you just ignored it.
 
so according to you guys this should be a better build:

ASRock A320M Pro4 AMD Socket AM4 Motherboard £56.86
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6 Core (Socket AM4) CPU £83.90
CiT 1016 Case - Black 550W PSU included £28.64
GeIL EVO X II 16GB (1x 16GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM £54.94
Maxtor By Seagate Z1 480GB 2.5" SATA III SSD £46.60
LG 22MK400H 21.5" Full HD LED Gaming Monitor £72.01

and i have a Radeon HD 6670 i know it's very old but apparently it's essential for the system as according to my understanding the ryzen5 1600 doesn't support onboard graphics!

total £342.95

now would you say that's better than the Xeon build for video editing?
 
Dzoser said:
so according to you guys this should be a better build:

ASRock A320M Pro4 AMD Socket AM4 Motherboard £56.86
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6 Core (Socket AM4) CPU £83.90
CiT 1016 Case - Black 550W PSU included £28.64
GeIL EVO X II 16GB (1x 16GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM £54.94
Maxtor By Seagate Z1 480GB 2.5" SATA III SSD £46.60
LG 22MK400H 21.5" Full HD LED Gaming Monitor £72.01

and i have a Radeon HD 6670 i know it's very old but apparently it's essential for the system as according to my understanding the ryzen5 1600 doesn't support onboard graphics!

total £342.95

now would you say that's better than the Xeon build for video editing?
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The Xeon is Ivy Bridge based,so it has lower IPC than a Ryzen 1600 or Ryzen 1600AF. It also runs at a lower clockspeed too. Its a slower CPU. Ivy Bridge only supports AVX,but Ryzen also supports AVX2 and FMA3.

Look for the Ryzen 5 1600 AF,it is based on Zen+ so is quicker.

I had an Ivy Bridge based Xeon E3 1230 V2,and it was slower in single threaded tasks than my Ryzen 5 2600.

Also those HEDT Xeons lack integrated graphics too.

There is also another problem with buying those old Ivy Bridge systems - they are probably upto 6 years old now,and that means failures are increasingly possible.

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Regarding the base system:

Ryzen 5 1600 AF(underclocked Ryzen 5 2600) ~ £86
Patriot Viper Steel 3200MHZ 16GB dual channel kit ~£69
ASRock B450M Pro4-F ~ £62
CWT 500W 80+ PSU ~ £30
Maxtor Z1 480GB ~£46
AvP X6 Gaming Case - White ~£20

From another retailer that came to around £313. Some of the cheaper 3000MHZ kits were out of stock,and if you went for a cheaper ASRock B450M-HDV motherboard,it will be under £300,but I think it is better spending the extra £20. Case is basic but has a top mounted fan mount too - you could probably shop around for a better case. It might be worth adding some extra case fans too.

The CWT PSU is a CWT GPT series PSU,ie,the same platform used for a lot of branded cheap PSUs - not the highest end PSU in the world,but it will have all the basic protections.A Ryzen 5 1600 AF and an HD6670 shouldn't be drawing much power. For another £10 more you could get a better PSU. An Antec NeoECO Classic 550W would be just under £40,for example.

You can get a 21.5" monitor for under £70 with DVI and VGA inputs now.
 
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Dzoser said:
so according to you guys this should be a better build:

ASRock A320M Pro4 AMD Socket AM4 Motherboard £56.86
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6 Core (Socket AM4) CPU £83.90
CiT 1016 Case - Black 550W PSU included £28.64
GeIL EVO X II 16GB (1x 16GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM £54.94
Maxtor By Seagate Z1 480GB 2.5" SATA III SSD £46.60
LG 22MK400H 21.5" Full HD LED Gaming Monitor £72.01

and i have a Radeon HD 6670 i know it's very old but apparently it's essential for the system as according to my understanding the ryzen5 1600 doesn't support onboard graphics!

total £342.95

now would you say that's better than the Xeon build for video editing?
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Hang on, you were spitting your dummy and proclaiming the advice given was as much use as a chocolate teapot, now the advice given is welcomed with open arms?

I wouldn’t touch a CIT case/PSU combo for £28 and an A320 is as basic as you can get, seeing as we’ve now gone into the realms of new rather than buying used you’ll have to re-work the budget/spec slightly or source used. I do kind of feel for the eBay seller having to accept a return just because you make crappy choices and then suffer buyers remorse.
 
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Dzoser said:
so according to you guys this should be a better build:

ASRock A320M Pro4 AMD Socket AM4 Motherboard £56.86
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6 Core (Socket AM4) CPU £83.90
CiT 1016 Case - Black 550W PSU included £28.64
GeIL EVO X II 16GB (1x 16GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM £54.94
Maxtor By Seagate Z1 480GB 2.5" SATA III SSD £46.60
LG 22MK400H 21.5" Full HD LED Gaming Monitor £72.01

and i have a Radeon HD 6670 i know it's very old but apparently it's essential for the system as according to my understanding the ryzen5 1600 doesn't support onboard graphics!

total £342.95

now would you say that's better than the Xeon build for video editing?
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Yep. SSD, warranty, upgrade path. Much better system than a clapped out old Xeon.
 
Dzoser said:
now would you say that's better than the Xeon build for video editing?
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Wait till you try to scrub in anything more than a 1/4 resolution 1080p timeline. You, and anyone that uses an NLE for that matter, will spend 80% of his time in the cutting/editing page scrubbing back and forth.

When that time comes and you painfully understand that you failed, miserably that is, with your choice of parts, come here to ask for a solution. Again.
 
Can't see they point in this thread. Spend a bit more and get a vastly better platform that will last years and have huge upgrade potential and warranty. Artificial limits on spending to make old hardware look good today with no regard for tomorrow is just daft. The whole exercise here is to try and make AMD hardware look worse than old, cheap Intel gear. I think there's a word for that...
 
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