Amazing what you can do when you life is hanging by a thread.
Lost in translation.
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Amazing what you can do when you life is hanging by a thread.
Have you ever been in shock after an accident? I can tell you it doesn't do much for sound reasoning and memory. And that's without being injured.
there health insurance shoud pay for it then?
Yes I have.
Fair enough, but what happens when you need more technical terms.
What if you have crying family next to your unconscious bleeding body trying to gesture to the doctor what has happened?
All hospitals around touristy sites/areas should have multilinguals, it may save lives. Simples!
Well you have balls of steel then. Personally it reduced me to a gibbering mess.
Instead of having a go at "the immigrants" why don't you have a go at the thick louts that waste billions of taxpayers money getting plastered every week, doing themselves and others physical harm. Every. Single. Week. all because they think it's the done thing and is a laugh.
Oh wait.. those immigrants have funny coloured skin and dodgy accents. SEND THEM BACK!
Pray tell, who will you complain about if they did leave? Who would you blame for your own failures then? Who would you say "they took our jobs!" instead? You can be certain it won't be the same idiots bleating it now that will take the jobs.
Oh wait.. those immigrants have funny coloured skin and dodgy accents. SEND THEM BACK!
Pray tell, who will you complain about if they did leave? Who would you blame for your own failures then? Who would you say "they took our jobs!" instead? You can be certain it won't be the same idiots bleating it now that will take the jobs.
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Just so you know, it's possible to be annoyed at more than one thing. However, the topic we're discussing at the moment, is translators for non-English speakers. If you want to start a topic about drunken chavs, I'm sure everyone will be more than happy to moan about them too.
Basically the point is, yes, they suck too, however, that's not what's being discussed right now, so why bring it up?
Dailwail outrage by idiots, is why. £23million? That's *nothing* when compared to the costs incurred by the very same idiots wailing about these translator costs.
In short: this is a thread about irrational hatred by some of the same typically irrational members of this forum. So I made my own irrational contribution to the diatribe. Problem? Or will you just ignore the point made in my first reply, again?
Nobody said it was (although I only skimmed most of the thread, so apologies if somebody did.)
Just because there's worse problems out there, doesn't mean that smaller problems can't be discussed too. It's just a case of not thinking about other problems right now, and focusing on the one that IS being discussed here.
It's possible to have an opinion on topics like this, without it being some kind of racist view. And I'm not sure what point you're accusing me of ignoring, my post was talking about a specific point you made, nothing more.
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What problem? That we are serving medical aid to those that need it, English speaking or no? There isn't a problem. Other countries spend loads on healthcare for Brits who need aid abroad (if they have a national health service, of course). They don't demand we speak their mother tongue.
When did I state anything about not giving aid to tourists? In fact, I've hardly posted an opinion about the topic at all, so don't put words in my mouth.
With you on that one (unless you are a holiday maker then your holiday insurance should pay for the translation service)
Words in your mouth?! Where have I done that?
The last post, suggesting I was claiming the problem to be "serving medical aid to those who need it". I'd suggested nothing of the sort.
I didn't even claim you did. The OP did just by opening this thread/topic. So do others by condoning the stance that those not speaking English shouldn't get healthcare. No where did I say that you are in that camp.
You've been putting words in my mouth..
You've been putting words in my mouth..
That's how I read it, apologies if that's not how you meant it.
No-one is saying that there should not be any translators available for people that cannot speak the language and have arrived at A&E with emergency conditions. It happens in a lot of other countries, but that doesn't make it right. The argument is that it is not unreasonable for those people to have translators paid for by their travel insurance company. If they are not tourists, but residents, then it is not unreasonable for them to be able to speak English or pay for their own translator.
That aside though, even if translation at A&E was provided free of charge to anyone regardless of their circumstances, that still wouldn't amount to what is actually spent. Much of the budget will be for multilingual informational leaflets and for translators present in GP surgeries where the whole communication difficulty due to shock, stress, etc that is encountered in A&E is nullified.
So to repeat the question to the PCers, what is unreasonable about expecting someone who lives in England to speak English? I don't know about you, but I certainly wouldn't expect to live in another country and carry on my life without learning the language of that country.
That aside though, even if translation at A&E was provided free of charge to anyone regardless of their circumstances, that still wouldn't amount to what is actually spent. Much of the budget will be for multilingual informational leaflets and for translators present in GP surgeries where the whole communication difficulty due to shock, stress, etc that is encountered in A&E is nullified.
So to repeat the question to the PCers, what is unreasonable about expecting someone who lives in England to speak English? I don't know about you, but I certainly wouldn't expect to live in another country and carry on my life without learning the language of that country.
Just as in the legal system, frankly there's a huge difference between being sufficiently fluent to get by in every day life, to being sufficiently fluent to provide appropriate and accurate answers to medical/legal questions that allow a doctor/lawyer to respond and act appropriately.
The amount is literally pennies in the pounds going to the NHS budget and overall as long as they are delivering value for money then I don't have any problem in principle with providing such a service to people who genuinely need it - what the article does indicate though is that there are savings to be had from pooling the resources and using translators more efficiently, which is definitely a point worth consideration and hopefully action.
The amount is literally pennies in the pounds going to the NHS budget and overall as long as they are delivering value for money then I don't have any problem in principle with providing such a service to people who genuinely need it - what the article does indicate though is that there are savings to be had from pooling the resources and using translators more efficiently, which is definitely a point worth consideration and hopefully action.