Caporegime
Do you know how ridiculous this makes anything you post ?
...Well i left... so someone can take my spot you UKIP morons...
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Do you know how ridiculous this makes anything you post ?
...Well i left... so someone can take my spot you UKIP morons...
The UK can currently only produce 50-60% of the food needed to sustain the current population.
By that measure, we were full a long time ago.
Lots of articles discussing our "food security" in the context of a fast-growing global population.
http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/assets/pdfs/gfs-and-uk-food-imports.pdf
http://www.soilassociation.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=wCYoHYSHsy8=&tabid=215
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/may/07/half-population-food-imports-2050
It can only end baldy.
Caporegime
Good night sweet racist prince 
Notice how i linked as well in another thread how they are now telling people to eat 7 a day, Yeah first it was 5 and now the "dilution effect" has it up to 7. How long until it is ten a day? The nutrition value of all those old surveys will probably mean less in the future. So you got to take that into account as well when you do the maths for food production + population level + nutritional value needed per person.
It simply cannot be done the rest of the world will need the food we import, The beef from Brazil, Wheat from Ukraine to name a few of the places i am thinking of. India and China will also need food for about a billion people each as well and when thier GDP rises which it will, The competition will push the price up.
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/enter a wild Glaucus with vertical farming
I think that's a misplaced concern.
You made my mind leap to Red Dwarf and listers plan to have a farm on Fiji. Except Fiji is under 5ft of water in the future and Rimmmer asks him about the swimming mutton
Global warming will see more pressure put on food as well. Were not even taking into account here natural disasters so misplaced no, Premature sure.
/enter a wild Glaucus with vertical farming
I think that's a misplaced concern.
The people who wrote those papers seem to be taking it quite seriously. Relatively speaking, our buying power will decrease as poorer nations raise themselves to our level (and above).
It's already been in the news how we can expect food prices to dramatically increase in future.
The consequence of importing 50% of our food might not be so bad now, but in future it's going to be a serious problem.
A lot of people don't honestly believe that we could ever have a major drop in living standards in this country. There is unshakable belief in our continuing status as a 1st world country. It's a blind faith and I'm sure will prove to be unfounded.
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who was it in a previous incarnation?
Forget food, What about the proposed blackouts? We need green energy investment soon and to keep Putin sweet. People are content to roll the dice though but what if the price of gas and bread does skyrocket? What if we fail to meet immigration targets and energy targets?
We have no money we are skint with years of income in debt. And the rich do not care as they will always be able to survive. They will keep themselves and the police well fed and stocked with batons. Prince Charles wanted to come back as a virus to reverse world population, Jack straw said the English were not worth saving.
Maybe a bit dramatic but it makes my ears standup.
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Soldato
The fact is - technologically it is most certainly not beyond our means to provide more than enough power & food for the entire population.
We have vertical farming, rotary hydroponics - it's not actually something in science fiction, just not that cheap (yet).
Once food prices rise to a certain level (along with the combined effect of our technology in this field advancing) it will hit a point in which the current method of commercial agriculture is no longer economically sound.
The same applies to renewable energy, the efficiency ratings have been on a steady rise for quite some time - as our energy stocks deplete the price increases making alternatives more economically viable.
Population growth is only a 'problem' in the developing world, a sane person would suggest that perhaps we assist in bringing these nations up-to our level, empower women (key factor in reducing population growth) & promote the use of contraceptives.
While I appreciate this isn't the usual kind of UKIP scare mongering you are used it, it's all factual - our country isn't 'full' as our carrying capacity is entirely dependant on our efficiency & how we use our resources.
I don't see UKIP promoting any real world solutions, just isolation fear & irrational knee jerk reactionary views to appease the downtrodden dullard on the street. I can appreciate that it must be pretty crap for some people living in this country (poverty, ghetto's, lack of jobs) - but if you think UKIP is going to be the silver bullet to any of your woes you are sadly mistaken.
Nigel Farage is just another stooge who doesn't give a flying **** about the average worker in the UK, this is evident by his laughable policies.
We have vertical farming, rotary hydroponics - it's not actually something in science fiction, just not that cheap (yet).
Once food prices rise to a certain level (along with the combined effect of our technology in this field advancing) it will hit a point in which the current method of commercial agriculture is no longer economically sound.
The same applies to renewable energy, the efficiency ratings have been on a steady rise for quite some time - as our energy stocks deplete the price increases making alternatives more economically viable.
Population growth is only a 'problem' in the developing world, a sane person would suggest that perhaps we assist in bringing these nations up-to our level, empower women (key factor in reducing population growth) & promote the use of contraceptives.
While I appreciate this isn't the usual kind of UKIP scare mongering you are used it, it's all factual - our country isn't 'full' as our carrying capacity is entirely dependant on our efficiency & how we use our resources.
I don't see UKIP promoting any real world solutions, just isolation fear & irrational knee jerk reactionary views to appease the downtrodden dullard on the street. I can appreciate that it must be pretty crap for some people living in this country (poverty, ghetto's, lack of jobs) - but if you think UKIP is going to be the silver bullet to any of your woes you are sadly mistaken.
Nigel Farage is just another stooge who doesn't give a flying **** about the average worker in the UK, this is evident by his laughable policies.
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Soldato
INPORT BACON! are you mad
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But how do you stop the pigs from jumping off? Save the Bacon someone.
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I love Britain too much to vote UKIP.
UKIP/Green coalition then? Everyone knows who Farage is, Very smart and hidden on his anti poor views. Right now he is smart enough to say what we want to hear and as the only person doing it, Well what else can people do in this case? Vote for who? At least we know how hard it is to change things in this country look at the welfare battle IDS is facing. Why do people think UKIP are going to come in and be able to make dreadful wholesale changes?
At most it will be the changes people want, And Labour lack the full power to oppose. I will come back to you on the food bit once i have a look at google in half an hour, Gotta watch to Catch A Thief first, But im going to doubt hydrophonics or rotary can make it feasable. Right now hydro is expensive and we will be way above our capacity until it catches up.
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Soldato
are we sure its ok to import nasty foreign food?! after all we dont want any nasty foreign people!!
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It's not about utilisation of space, it's about resourses and how some of them are finite.
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