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Just to clarify, I was suggesting that multiculturalism ultimately leads to self-segregation rather than saying it is defined as such.

People will always flock to their own, unless you enforce every street and town to have quotas of different cultures and that they must live evenly distributed across the houses then you end up with one culture all flocking to one area whilst another will go somewhere else. The result, the two rarely mix.

Can you remember when you were a kid and on occasion when there was group task to be done at school, the teachers would make you sit 'boy-girl-boy-girl'? They did that because they knew given the choice the kids would just gather in all male and female groups, probably with their best mates.

So even teachers know that left to our own devices we'll always opt for working/living by people that we feel closer to, so why we think that phenomenon would change with cultures is beyond me?

True, though it does make me wonder why it doesn't happen with all nationalities.

My 12 years in London has only really seen the following obviously visible pockets of culture.

Antipodean (South Africans, Australians and New Zealanders).
Indian/Pakistani.
Turkish.
Jewish.
Eastern bloc countries (most likely down to me not being able to tell my Polish from my Hungarian).
Afro-Caribbean.
Somali.
Central Africa.
Oriental (if China-Town counts).

I can't say I have seen or even heard of a particularly French/Spanish/Scandinavian/American/Canadian/Southern American part of London, as examples.
 
We're at the bottom of the pile in western Europe despite being one of the best countries for potentially harnessing green power.

we have less renewables but per head we are pretty far down when it comes to pumping out pollution
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Maybe the other countries are doing more renwables because they have more reasons to
 
You're wrong about the reason why the extreme right is on the rise in Europe (true cause = recession followed by stagnation). You're wrong about the impact of immigration (it has nothing to do with the problems in Europe or any other country for that matter). You're wrong about the 'dire' economic situation (the situation isn't great but it's not dire either, the economy isn't growing, that's the main issue). You're wrong to compare the EU with the USSR (you need a reality check and a history lesson). Micromanaging of the EU bla bla.. what?
First of all, thank you for the ad homoniem. It really shows your class and intelligence.

I said two, thank you, guess what the other reason is. There was already rise in right wing politics thanks to mass immigration. For example in the Netherlands. It failed because the leader of the politic party was shot dead through the head by a far left wing extremist. Also France(Le Pen) and Austria(Jörg Haider) already was becoming more and more popular. This was before the crisis. But ignore if you want.

Immigration has nothing to do with the problems there are in Europe? What about the STATISTICAL proof that some groups of immigrants are much more likely to commit a crime than other groups. Unguided mass immigrations causes community to segregate and will prevent any kind of adaption or assimilation. And this prevents a part of them gettings jobs, thus forcing them into crime. But I will admit it isnt the biggest problem we face in Europe today.

If you think the economic situation isn't dire, you are VERY mistaken. Banks balances are still crooked, nations debt in Europe is extremely high, unemployment is rising EVERY year. Because we can still live wealthy on borrowed money, doesnt mean our economic situation isn't dire.

The EU had a major beneficial impact for rich countries. Cars, tv sets and computers, designer clothes etc. etc. were all but inexistant in the Eastern Block. The developed nations made fortunes through investments as the poor countries in the East started to grow.
I don't know whether I should laugh or cry. READ what the **** you are typing. EU didn't bring TV's etc. to the Eastern Block. Free trade brought those TV's, computers etc. in cooperation with Samsung, LG, Philips, HP, Dell, Asus, etc.. The EU had nothing to do with that. Or are you saying there are no TV's etc. in Russia, Belarus etc. either?

Free trade isn't something EU invented nor introduced. Even worse they are preventing it outside of the EU by using tariffs on imported goods. Try importing Yamakasi, Crossover and Shimian LCD from Korea. After you pay the tariffs, come back to me. Tariffs and the regulation the EU is implementing is exactly how the USSR worked.

This is a fair assesment which show how the EU and the USSR are alike.
Pretty much everything you said is a mix of preconceived ideas and ignorance.
You know nothing about me or my political background. Please keep your preconceived ideas and ignorance about me(and apply), to yourself
The main problem of the developed nations at the moment is that they haven't found a way to grow their economies at decent rates after the collapse of 2007-2008.
The reason is because real economic growth doesn't lie in regulation, but in individuals and their businesses. Most great cooperations weren't founded by the state and it's bureaucratic minions, but by people like you and me.

Growth occurs when we produce goods, which can feed our demand. Yet we look to Brussel for economic growth, which is incorrect. And that's why Farage is right.
UKIP is on about immigration and the EU because that's what parties without a message and without ideas do, they prey on people's ignorance and insecurity and they make up enemies.
Farage isn't creating an enemy, he isn't Hitler ffs. He does not blame the foreigners for the debt and mismanagement. He is saying your welfare state is not compatible with mass immigrations and he is right.

Please keep ignoring the facts, you will soon be met with the reality.
 
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we have less renewables but per head we are pretty far down when it comes to pumping out pollution
J3nVteP.png

Maybe the other countries are doing more renwables because they have more reasons to

Your chart maybe a little misleading, Iceland lists highly but is this due to active Volcano's which spew Sulphur Dioxide into the atmosphere :confused:
 
Your chart maybe a little misleading, Iceland lists highly but is this due to active Volcano's which spew Sulphur Dioxide into the atmosphere :confused:

yea I guessed that :P but for other places without volcanoes it's probably fairly accurate, like us vs france or germany
Iceland also is almost all renwable energy thanks to geothermal I believe
 
First of all, thank you for the ad homoniem. It really shows your class and intelligence.

I compared your post with something your buddy Geert would say, how is that a personal attack? The ideas are similar after all.

I said two, thank you, guess what the other reason is. There was already rise in right wing politics thanks to mass immigration. For example in the Netherlands. It failed because the leader of the politic party was shot dead through the head by a far left wing extremist. Also France(Le Pen) and Austria(Jörg Haider) already was becoming more and more popular. This was before the crisis. But ignore if you want.

The National Front in France has been a political force since the 80s. In fact, its leader made it into the second round of the presidential election in 2002. two years before countries from the Eastern Block joined the EU. The FSO in Austria received 27% of the votes in 1999. These two examples you provided have nothing to do with mass immigration in the EU.

As for Geert's lunatics they can hardly be considered proof that "immigration is the reason why the extreme right wing politic groups are becoming more and more popular throughout Europe".


If you think the economic situation isn't dire, you are VERY mistaken. Banks balances are still crooked, nations debt in Europe is extremely high, unemployment is rising EVERY year. Because we can still live wealthy on borrowed money, doesnt mean our economic situation isn't dire.

Unemployment in the EU is decreasing:
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Unemployment_statistics
Nations debt in the EU is now stable, as it has just slightly risen in 2013 (which is a significant improvement compared to the soaring debt of the previous years):
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/2-22012014-AP/EN/2-22012014-AP-EN.PDF

Where are the numbers that back up your claims?


Tariffs and the regulation the EU is implementing is exactly how the USSR worked.
This is a fair assesment which show how the EU and the USSR are alike

No, it's not, you can't compare the EU with the Soviet Union, there's no debate, you're flat out wrong. The opinion of a general practioner (lol) who is a critic of vaccination, among other looney ideas, is irrelevant.


The reason is because real economic growth doesn't lie in regulation, but in individuals and their businesses. Most great cooperations weren't founded by the state and it's bureaucratic minions, but by people like you and me.

Growth occurs when we produce goods, which can feed our demand. Yet we look to Brussel for economic growth, which is incorrect. And that's why Farage is right.

If that's true, why didn't individuals, businesses and corporations create growth after the 1927 crash? Maybe the free market fairy isn't omnipotent, maybe, just maybe, governments have to intervene. And that's why Farage, as history has shown repeatedly, is wrong.

Farage isn't creating an enemy, he isn't Hitler ffs. He does not blame the foreigners for the debt and mismanagement. He is saying your welfare state is not compatible with mass immigrations and he is right.

The welfare state is compatible with immigration.. as seen in every bloody developed nation that exists. You admitted that immigration is not one of the main problems of the EU, yet it's the main issue for UKIP because it's not ideas and ideology that get them votes, it's fear and ignorance.
 
I can't say I have seen or even heard of a particularly French/Spanish/Scandinavian/American/Canadian/Southern American part of London, as examples.

Come on, London has every possible nation "clustering" together - "Little Italy", "Little Portugal", "Brazilwater", Spanish Kensington. As for French, it's hard to walk 200 yards without French shop or patiserrie in Chelsea. More French people live in London than in Bordeaux or Strasbourg, they had a running joke on French national TV about London being France's sixth biggest city in terms of population."?
 
Well, the pages of threads have at least conjured up some elements of decent discussion.

my original post still stands. the only way this country is going to change, is for a clean sweep of the old tired parties. for someone new.

It might be ukip, it might not.. but the housecleaning is badly needed.

You may notice my username has changed.....

why ?

Well, an obviously lefty moderator decided that my use of the word **** (i added the stars in myself), breached the boards swearing policy and Banned Me.

You didn't fully star out the swearing here either. Please fully star out all swearing as per the rules. Thank you.

This is despite, the forum rules stating that warnings, and points are supposed to be given, and 4-5 occurences of other people in this thread doing exactly the same thing.

The left, always tries to suppress, what they cannot control.

So i shall take my discussion, and my business, elsewhere.

bye
 
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Well, an obviously lefty moderator decided that my use of the word **** (i added the stars in myself), breached the boards swearing policy.

This is despite, the forum rules stating that warnings, and points are supposed to be given, and 4-5 occurences of other people in this thread doing exactly the same thing.

The left, always tries to suppress, what they cannot control.

So i shall take my discussion, and my business, elsewhere.

bye

You were just suspended, you would have (still might be) allowed back. What you are doing by creating this second account is break the rules even further, and then critise the moderators for what you see as a break of the rules. Smart move.

Other people such as myself may get away with an infraction for swearing, but thats mainly down the the thousands of posts where we have behaved within the rules, compared to your relatively few posts - most of which were provocative.
 
Well, the pages of threads have at least conjured up some elements of decent discussion.

my original post still stands. the only way this country is going to change, is for a clean sweep of the old tired parties. for someone new.

It might be ukip, it might not.. but the housecleaning is badly needed.

You may notice my username has changed.....

why ?

Well, an obviously lefty moderator decided that my use of the word **** (i added the stars in myself), breached the boards swearing policy and Banned Me.

This is despite, the forum rules stating that warnings, and points are supposed to be given, and 4-5 occurences of other people in this thread doing exactly the same thing.

The left, always tries to suppress, what they cannot control.

So i shall take my discussion, and my business, elsewhere.

bye



Great news that you wont be coming back:D
 
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