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D.P. said:
Safety requirements and standardizations are legally defined by governments. See the British Standard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standards
And the US has the Federal vehicle standards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Motor_Vehicle_Safety_Standards
It is illegal to manufacture and sell a vehicles that does not conform to these safety standard.

You are wrong, admit it like an adult.
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NCAP was set up as a voluntary organisation, Governments saw it was a good thing and backed it, which they should I don't disagree with that, and I don't disagree with governments setting safety rules to work to.

I do disagree with governments say to design things a certain way on the basis that they like it.

British Standards is not government run, its a not for profit organisation that works with the free market, its just government recognised with a royal charter which is how it should be.
 
kitch9 said:
NCAP was set up as a voluntary organisation, Governments saw it was a good thing and backed it, which they should I don't disagree with that, and I don't disagree with governments setting safety rules to work to.

I do disagree with governments say to design things a certain way on the basis that they like it.

British Standards is not government run, its a not for profit organisation that works with the free market, its just government recognised with a royal charter which is how it should be.
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(euro)NCAP is voluntarily, but the European Motor vehicle type approval is mandatory and forms the basis of the euro NCAP. And Euro NCAP comes from the american NCAP that is the body that oversees the motor vehicle type safety which is a legal requirement. Euro NCAP is officially supported by multiple European governments.


Design standards arr fundamental. Everyone's power sockets in the UK all conform to a particular standard allowing all devices to share a common format. No one complains at that-, it is a damn good idea to ensure all appliances conform to a common plug so you don't have to have dozens of different adapters because Sony use one plug type, Samsung another, Panasonic another. The same will now be true for cell phones, one common standard so there is no faffing about with different adapters and chargers that are all incompatible.
 
kitch9 said:
I'm not sure any government should intervene with stuff like that. Why would anyone try to design a high speed charging port that can charge a phone in 10 minutes now?
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They still can, as long as all makers agree to adopts the same standard, connector and voltage.

Where does it stop? Its meddling for meddlings sake.
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It was a mess and had to be done, I can't imagine anybody misses two different power connectors on Nokia in addition to separate data port and car cradles fitting only one type of phone that much...

This is it in a nutshell, the mobile companies will assess the hit to their bottom line and make the needed adjustments.
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What do you think they'll do? Half the amount of unlimited minutes in our contracts? :D

No government should be demanding that any non state owned company makes products in a certain way or charge a certain price, they should just ensure that the free market forces have every chance to operate without corruption.
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Of course it should. EU standards ensure expected durability, quality and safety of devices and food and guard warranties, terms and conditions of products for decades. I can't see why anyone would be against it.


Looking through results of votes on votewatch I am more and more surprised just how daft UKIP MEPs are:

-voted against legislation standardising mobile phone connectors (you know, the charger/data microUSB thing as used by all androids, nokias, etc). Who TF would vote against something like that?
- boycotted legislation to do with net neutrality in Europe (for example failed to turn up to vote this month to do with disallowing US model where Google or Netflix can pay ISPs for faster access to the network and effectively slowing down competition ).
- voted with Spain to scrap "Shetland Box" (protected fishing zone for British vessels) and to allow Spanish fishing fleet access to UK fishing waters.
- voted against new regulations tackling international money-laundering by criminal gangs.
- voted against legislation elevating rape within marriage to criminal offence.
- voted against delegalising cultural practices as an excuse for honour crimes and banning female genital mutilation. Only 13 MEPs in the EU parliament voted against it, 7 of them were UKIP MEPs (Nigel Farage was present)
- voted against improved protection for regional produce (so "Newcastle Brown Ale" or "Stilton Cheese" can't be made somewhere in France for Tesco)
- voted against resolution against trade of products made out of illegal ivory in Europe (as in - trading products made from materials sourced from elephant poaching market)
- voted against adoption of new rules on lorry design aimed at making them safer for cyclists and pedestrians.

Seven morons left out of thirteen after they lost 45% of their MEPs to internal unrest. Don't give then any more.
 
D.P. said:
(euro)NCAP is voluntarily, but the European Motor vehicle type approval is mandatory and forms the basis of the euro NCAP. And Euro NCAP comes from the american NCAP that is the body that oversees the motor vehicle type safety which is a legal requirement. Euro NCAP is officially supported by multiple European governments.


Design standards arr fundamental. Everyone's power sockets in the UK all conform to a particular standard allowing all devices to share a common format. No one complains at that-, it is a damn good idea to ensure all appliances conform to a common plug so you don't have to have dozens of different adapters because Sony use one plug type, Samsung another, Panasonic another. The same will now be true for cell phones, one common standard so there is no faffing about with different adapters and chargers that are all incompatible.
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The free market set the plug standard. The free market set up NCAP, British Standards was set up by the free market because manufacturers wanted a label that assured quality, even then it's not mandatory it's just a standard.

Governments just look to them because they are good.
 
Monkeynut said:
The legislation is completely unnecessary, all of the major players have already signed up to standardise to MicroUSB anyway - before the EU even thought of it.
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MicroUSB was effect of 2009 EC memorandum. Some parties (for example Apple) decided to stray away despite being signatory to agreement. Legislation will ensure standard all manufacturers agreed and developed together is actually kept by all. It's not any different than other connector standards, you don't expect LG TV set to have different HDMI connector to Sony TV set and you don't expect one laptop to have different network data port to other RJ45's out there, so why do we still dance around multitude of different plugs for mobile phones in second decade of twenty first century?
 
v0n said:
MicroUSB was effect of 2009 EC memorandum. Some parties (for example Apple) decided to stray away despite being signatory to agreement. Legislation will ensure standard all manufacturers agreed and developed together is actually kept by all. It's not any different than other connector standards, you don't expect LG TV set to have different HDMI connector to Sony TV set and you don't expect one laptop to have different network data port to other RJ45's out there, so why do we still dance around multitude of different plugs for mobile phones in second decade of twenty first century?
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Governments don't enforce the hdmi standard though, and it doesn't block the likes of Displayport which can handle higher specs.
 
kitch9 said:
Governments don't enforce the hdmi standard though, and it doesn't block the likes of Displayport which can handle higher specs.
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Difference is hemi, has to work cross device, whenever something has to work cross device, a standard normally takes hold. That is not the case for chargining ports, as seen in mobile phones 5 years ago, when chargers didn't even work cross phone in the same company, let alone cross company.


Same reason the new hoover laws are great, despite peoples idiotic response to them.
The market and companies have shown that all they care about is sales, which means putting more and more powerful motors in them, regardless if the hoover can actually clean or not.
 
Blabbing on about mobile phone chargers, roaming charges and other minor Euro directives is really missing the point.
UKIP are far from perfect, but it seems they are the only way at the moment to stop the real morons, LibLabCon , from giving away our hard won democracy, to an unelected and unaccountable superstate that is going to fail at some point.
I bet most the Europhiles here thought it was a good idea to join the Euro currency.
That went well didn't it?
 
altus said:
Blabbing on about mobile phone chargers, roaming charges and other minor Euro directives is really missing the point.
UKIP are far from perfect, but it seems they are the only way at the moment to stop the real morons, LibLabCon , from giving away our hard won democracy, to an unelected and unaccountable superstate that is going to fail at some point.
I bet most the Europhiles here thought it was a good idea to join the Euro currency.
That went well didn't it?
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Who knows how it would have gone? Having an economy our size joining the Euro would have had vast ramifications. Personally though I still oppose it to this day.

Regardless as a Europhile I fully support a referendum given the state the EU has evolved from the original EEC but I'm not giving my vote to UKIP in a European Election to get that, putting UKIP MEPs in the European Parliament means well...nothing. Only way of getting a referendum is at the Westminster Election, and UKIP need to break around...17% if I recall on a national average to even attain a seat.
 
Will Lucky said:
Who knows how it would have gone? Having an economy our size joining the Euro would have had vast ramifications. Personally though I still oppose it to this day.

Regardless as a Europhile I fully support a referendum given the state the EU has evolved from the original EEC but I'm not giving my vote to UKIP in a European Election to get that, putting UKIP MEPs in the European Parliament means well...nothing. Only way of getting a referendum is at the Westminster Election, and UKIP need to break around...17% if I recall on a national average to even attain a seat.
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It must be annoying for UKIP because the paradox is that a vote for them in the Westminster elections means that it would probably one less vote for the party that actually could get a referendum rolling, in fact it would pretty much be a completely wasted vote under the current system.
 
kitch9 said:
They should audit all of them. Singling him out when its a system that runs on a gentlemans agreement is wholly unfair.

Keep trying though.
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Except most British MEPs in Lib/Lab/Con are audited by independent professional accountants and the audit information is published on the MEP websites. The same is not true of the UKIP MEPS though!.

But never let the facts get in the way of a biased rant:rolleyes:
 
They make some really silly rules as much as they do good rules for example the EU also tried to bully out Plasma TV and powerful hoovers too though. As Bloom said clean behind your fridges people, I clean mine with a 1200w and Panasonic have killed Plasma this year with the AX900 LED series :|


EU go to hell ;)
 
D.P. said:
Except most British MEPs in Lib/Lab/Con are audited by independent professional accountants and the audit information is published on the MEP websites. The same is not true of the UKIP MEPS though!.

But never let the facts get in the way of a biased rant:rolleyes:
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+1 ukip are bang at it, we all know the mep's are paying their allowances into the political party because they are cash poor and can't compete with the others, essentially EU taxpayers are bankrolling ukip through illegal use of allowances, the irony
 
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