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Zethor said:
The post I replied to refered to immigrants. Your link leads to an article about blacks in general. I suppose there's not much of a difference between them for you guys, they're all the same, aren't they? ;)
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You replied to this...

'So parents have no influence over the upbringing of a child? Its purely society? And never have I said that ALL people will turn out bad if born in a bad area?

Knife crime in London is increasing year on year. Amount of ethnic minority groups living in London is increasing year on year. Are they related? Worth thinking about...'

I can't see the word immigrant anywhere... HALP.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Well they currently become British if they are born here, but I would point out the obvious: If I was born in China, no one would dream of saying I'm Han Chinese. I might be a Chinese citizen, but that is a different thing altogether.
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That's why I said British

"a dog born in a stable is not a horse" is it something along them lines.

So you're pretty much ruling out anyone that isn't white. OK
 
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Zethor said:
The post I replied to refered to immigrants. Your link leads to an article about blacks in general. I suppose there's not much of a difference between them for you guys, they're all the same, aren't they? ;)
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We are all one. Except we are not. If you can't perceive the differences how can you understand them?
 
balky12 said:
You replied to this...

'So parents have no influence over the upbringing of a child? Its purely society? And never have I said that ALL people will turn out bad if born in a bad area?

Knife crime in London is increasing year on year. Amount of ethnic minority groups living in London is increasing year on year. Are they related? Worth thinking about...'

I can't see the word immigrant anywhere... HALP.
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Oh I thought that when you said ethnic minority groups living in London is increasing, you were refering to immigration. Did you mean birth rates? So it's not just the knife wielding black gang members you're worried about, it's ethnic minority groups that are living in London, generally speaking. Wow. That's not racist at all, no sir. :rolleyes:
 
Craterloads said:
That's why I said British

"a dog born in a stable is not a horse" is it something along them lines.
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Well 'British' is an ethnicity.

Ian Wright is not a Briton, but he's a British Citizen. He will never be a Briton, just as I could never be Han Chinese. His children are not likely to be considered Britons either, just as my children would not be Han Chinese. Perhaps in a few generations they will be indistinguishable from Britons and thus become part of the British ethnic group, especially if they have children with native Britons.

I have no problem describing Ian Wright as a British Citizen and if he is proud to be one and adopts our culture, then he's more than welcome. But I wouldn't call him a 'Briton'.

I'm not too concerned about the distinction in general, our laws on who can be called British would be fine if we weren't bringing in MILLIONS of immigrants per decade.
 
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Thompson_NCL said:
Well 'British' is an ethnicity.

Ian Wright is not a Briton, but he's a British Citizen. He will never be a Briton, just as I could never be Han Chinese. His children are not likely to be considered Britons either, just as my children would not be Han Chinese. Perhaps in a few generations they will be indistinguishable from Britons and thus become part of the British ethnic group, especially if they have children with native Britons.

I have no problem describing Ian Wright as a British Citizen and if he is proud to be one and adopts our culture, then he's more than welcome. But I wouldn't call him a 'Briton'.
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So anyone who isn't white, is not British to you?

Is British not a nationality?
 
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Zethor said:
Oh I thought that when you said ethnic minority groups living in London is increasing, you were refering to immigration. Did you mean birth rates? So it's not just the knife wielding black gang members you're worried about, it's ethnic minority groups that are living in London, generally speaking. Wow. That's not racist at all, no sir. :rolleyes:
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Again, where have i said I was worried? The original statement, now back some time ago, was orginally said to guage response. Are you a racist for simply anlaysing statistics. You seem to think you are.

It then evolved onto whether or not it should be something to worry about. I then said it's something to be wary about. If inner London knife crime is committed mainly by blacks (or ethnic minority variations of) and they are going through a population boom in inner London, then how is it not something to be mindful of? Whether or not they are immigrant or born in this country, I don't think it really makes any difference.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Well 'British' is an ethnicity.

Ian Wright is not a Briton, but he's a British Citizen. He will never be a Briton, just as I could never be Han Chinese. His children are not likely to be considered Britons either, just as my children would not be Han Chinese. Perhaps in a few generations they will be indistinguishable from Britons and thus become part of the British ethnic group, especially if they have children with native Britons.

I have no problem describing Ian Wright as a British Citizen and if he is proud to be one and adopts our culture, then he's more than welcome. But I wouldn't call him a 'Briton'.

I'm not too concerned about the distinction in general, our laws on who can be called British would be fine if we weren't bringing in MILLIONS of immigrants per decade.
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Wtf did I just read.

Your ancestors probably didn't originate here either, are you not a briton?
 
balky12 said:
It then evolved onto whether or not it should be something to worry about. I then said it's something to be wary about. If inner London knife crime is committed mainly by blacks (or ethnic minority variations of) and they are going through a population boom in inner London, then how is it not something to be mindful of? Whether or not they are immigrant or born in this country, I don't think it really makes any difference.
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You're not mindful of the people who are doing the crimes, you are mindful of their innocent babies because you are a racist.
 
The Running Man said:
And you're not being sensible. How would you describe a Mexican in America?

He is a human being but that doesn't make him American. I don't think you understand the difference between ethnicity and a passport.
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If he was born in Mexico then he is Mexican, if he is born in the US then he is American.

My dad is Scottish, my mother an Aussie. I am English.
 
The Running Man said:
And you're not being sensible. How would you describe a Mexican in America?

He is a human being but that doesn't make him American. I don't think you understand the difference between ethnicity and a passport.
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"a dog born in a stable is not a horse" I get it.

What makes you American?

Is American an ethnicity now? Well Native American would.
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
Wtf did I just read.

Your ancestors probably didn't originate here either, are you not a briton?
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Recent studies have shown that most ethnic Britons have been here for a very long time. But yes, undeniably most of the populace came from somewhere else a very long time ago, and ultimately before that Africa. But how does this in any way change the existence of distinct ethnic identities?

Would I be Han Chinese had I been born in China? Would my Caucasian children be Han Chinese? Would their Caucasian children?
 
The Running Man said:
And you're not being sensible. How would you describe a Mexican in America?

He is a human being but that doesn't make him American. I don't think you understand the difference between ethnicity and a passport.
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Hahahah. God, you guys crack me up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selena_Gomez

"Selena Marie Gomez (born July 22, 1992)[3] is an American actress and singer. "

Not according to racists on this board! :D
 
Craterloads said:
So anyone who isn't white, is not British to you?

Is British not a nationality?
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Stop making the issue about colour and trying to divert the argument. The issue is that he is not ethnically British. End of.

Some Pakistani chap that moves in up the road will never be ethnically British. Simple as. Eventually after several generations they might be, but to suggest you can just change your ethnicity by moving over a border is just ludicrous.

I was born in the UK, I sound very British, and my parents were born in the UK. Ethnically I'm not British and I recognise this.
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
If he was born in Mexico then he is Mexican, if he is born in the US then he is American.
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Yes he will have an American passport but he isn't suddenly ethnically not south American. ..

you do understand what ethnicity is?

An ethnicity, or ethnic group, is a social group of people who identify with each other based on common ancestral, social, cultural, or national experience.[1][2] Membership of an ethnic group tends to be associated with shared cultural heritage, ancestry, history, homeland, language (dialect), or ideology, and with symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, physical appearance, etc.
 
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