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Those reasons above I listed are also reasons why Unions have absolutely NO POWER in the modern day. It is simply not possible to demand an increase in pay or working conditions when these external forces are acting. Want better pay? We'll just employ another group of people who don't mind working for nothing, and if we cant do that, well, we'll just move the jobs to India

I laughed at that defaced billboard of UKIP saying 'join a trade union'. They simply do not understand the world they live in
 
In the past 30-40 years we have seen a rapidly increasing supply of labour combined with a rapidly decreasing supply of jobs.

In the past 40 years we have seen: 'liberalisation' of the workforce - previously it was the norm to have 1 parent working per household. The introduction of women into the workforce, where now it seems the 'stay at home mother' is the most hated demographic by the likes of the Labour party (how dare they put family before stressing themselves into oblivion to find a god awful job as a middle manager), has effectively DOUBLED the supply of labour in certain industries. I don't see any doubling of the number of jobs available.

Secondly, over the past 40 years we have seen the complete uninterrupted outsourcing of every single job possible to Asia. It isn't just textile industries making teddy bears. It's high technology industries, British technologly, British Company, British Name - but the workforce is in China. The number of jobs lost in the west is absolutely monumental, it is 10s of millions http://www.ibtimes.com/28-million-us-jobs-lost-china-joined-wto-study-316232. There is one Ipad factory in China that employs 100k people that I read about - imagine if that factory was here in the UK. Obviously, I expect people to arrogantly dismiss the worth of these jobs, but I say: enjoy living off the government then, because that is who has had to pick up the bill for the devastation this outsourcing has caused.

Even in those Clegg/Farage debates, Clegg had the audacity to use an example of a Ford factory leaving the UK and why it HAD to stay in the EU - only for it later to emerge that the factory had been moved to TURKEY.

It isn't just manufacturing industries either, service industries are also lost - we all know the problems we have with Indian call centres. But what about maintenance industries, for perhaps our communication networks? Other than the man being sent to literally fix a mobile base station, with the internet now it makes no difference whether the control 'hub' for Telefonica in the UK is based in Slough, Leeds, or the Phillipines. No difference at all. In time, where do you think these jobs will go? I lived with a Radio Planner in Sweden, 80 jobs were lost from highly skilled Engineers when their office was relocated to Asia in 2012. The same will happen, in time over here.

And then lastly, we have also had immigration on a scale of several orders of magnitude greater than anything in history. These people coming here are not in the majority specialised Professors, or Engineers, or Doctors, they are just the average 'prole' who at best does nothing other than further increase the supply of labour, and at worst the list can go on forever.

If you have common sense and can see the basic principle of supply and demand, you can work out that with these factors, wages for the majority of people in the west are only going to go one way, and that is down - and they have done. We are in a generation now where it is now just expected that the government tops up your wages to a livable level.

Increasing the number of people going to university, was probably just a way of trying to alleviate some pressure on the jobs market, because the Government either doesn't want to, or is too spineless to address the other issues.
If 2 million people were taken out of university and had to find jobs what do you think would happen?

Couldn't agree more. I work in the insurance market in London and I see the outsourcing problem. Big broker houses mainly guilty of it and the big service providers.

Maybe pushing university was a way of massaging the figures. However you now have 2 million students who expectations were a lot higher than they would have otherwise been, and who now are not prepared to get out of bed for less then £30k.

The outlook is grim.
 
Those reasons above I listed are also reasons why Unions have absolutely NO POWER in the modern day. It is simply not possible to demand an increase in pay or working conditions when these external forces are acting. Want better pay? We'll just employ another group of people who don't mind working for nothing, and if we cant do that, well, we'll just move the jobs to India

I laughed at that defaced billboard of UKIP saying 'join a trade union'. They simply do not understand the world they live in

Unions are becoming a cancer. Most union leaders have never stepped foot in the work place they are representing let alone worked on the line. See that al lthe time in London. Underground drivers on £40k basic with 30 days holiday a year. Yet they still go on strike every year...
 
I would be concerned. Even if we accept that black and white children are born equal in all respects, their upbringing will be different due to their parents cultural influence.

Also, higher birth rates amongst an ethnic minority are going to rapidly change the face of Britain. If we suddenly find our population is 15% African or Muslim, this is going to have a massive impact on our culture, politics and way of life.

The high birth rates are in themselves indicative of a problem.

Wow, so you're not a racist right....

Do you not think black British people's primary culture is from Britain? For example Ian Wright is as British as they come, unless you think he is teaching his kids to shoot with bamboo blow darts with tribal face paint?
 
You are right, when a white or black baby is born there is no difference. However, It's the upbringing that moulds them. Higher birth rates amongst black Africans in central London where there is a big gang and knife culture is something to be wary of.

Why would you be worried about babies when some of their parents are in gangs? Assuming you were born at the time, were you worried about babies in Northern Ireland, because some of their parents were terrorists? If the upbringing "moulded" those children, why aren't they bombing buildings right now?


Feel free to quote me where I have been discriminating against a particular race on the other hand.

birth rates amongst black Africans in central London where there is a big gang and knife culture is something to be wary of.

Gang crime in London and Essex escalated during the 1980’s with the use of Ecstasy in night clubs. Yet, it is the lowest historical levels now, even if the 80's babies were born in a "big gang and knife culture". How do you explain this?

Also, higher birth rates amongst an ethnic minority are going to rapidly change the face of Britain. If we suddenly find our population is 15% African or Muslim, this is going to have a massive impact on our culture, politics and way of life.

Would it be possible for you to provide evidence which shows that high birth rates of immigrants had a massive impact on the culture, politics and way of life of a country? Any example will do, say in the last 500 years.
 
Wow, so you're not a racist right....

Do you not think black British people's primary culture is from Britain? For example Ian Wright is as British as they come, unless you think he is teaching his kids to shoot with bamboo blow darts with tribal face paint?

C'mon, anyone can cherry pick examples, and I am sure there are a lot of them.

I don't think he is at all saying that all black people are raised in exactly the same way and that way is completely different from how whites are raised.

But you can't deny that people are raised different, and hold different values, and one big factor or varient is race.
 
Those reasons above I listed are also reasons why Unions have absolutely NO POWER in the modern day. It is simply not possible to demand an increase in pay or working conditions when these external forces are acting. Want better pay? We'll just employ another group of people who don't mind working for nothing, and if we cant do that, well, we'll just move the jobs to India

I laughed at that defaced billboard of UKIP saying 'join a trade union'. They simply do not understand the world they live in

but neither do UKIP.

Ukip can't stop the capitalist machine. Leaving Europe and locking down our borders won't bring jobs back to Britain, It won't stop out sourcing to cheaper countries. By it's design Money is king Unless you want communism I fail to see how any of what you posted is relevant to Voting us out of Europe OR limiting Ethnic Diversity.
 
Wow, so you're not a racist right....

Do you not think black British people's primary culture is from Britain? For example Ian Wright is as British as they come, unless you think he is teaching his kids to shoot with bamboo blow darts with tribal face paint?

Well there have been many studies (including twin studies) which do indicate a variation in IQ between the races. I think the jury is still out on that issue, so I'd not be willing to hinge my argument exclusively on that fact.

And you've made the common mistake of trying to counter a generalisation with a specific example. I don't know that Ian Wright is "as British as they come" as I doubt he has the same historical ties to this nation as most British people. But, even so, I never said black people were incapable of integrating. I am sure we can find many examples of black people who are very well assimilated and obviously they are of no concern.

I don't mind if you want to call me a racist, that accusation is of no consequence to me. I think I am a decent person who treats everyone fairly, but I have my own views and opinions. I'm not going to be cowed about expressing those views because you wish to play the tired old 'R' card.
 
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Wow, so you're not a racist right....

Do you not think black British people's primary culture is from Britain? For example Ian Wright is as British as they come, unless you think he is teaching his kids to shoot with bamboo blow darts with tribal face paint?

Indirectly you are showing that your perception of how people view cultural differences is extreme and twisted.

Who said anything about tribal or blow darts? I think they probably mean a culture of gangs, knifes, which you can't deny seem to be overly represented within black culture in this country.

That doesn't mean that every one is a gun toting crew, but a lot seem to fall into this lifestyle for whatever reason. It's certainly not taught at school.
 
C'mon, anyone can cherry pick examples, and I am sure there are a lot of them.

I don't think he is at all saying that all black people are raised in exactly the same way and that way is completely different from how whites are raised.

But you can't deny that people are raised different, and hold different values, and one big factor or varient is race.

Yes people are raised different, most importantly by bad parents or good parents. No parents to one parent, raised in poor areas or affluent areas etc

I think the least value in all is the pigment of ones skin, but I guess that's where we differ.
 
Well there have been many studies (including twin studies) which do indicate a variation in IQ between the races. I think the jury is still out on that issue, so I'd not be willing to hinge my argument exclusively on that fact.

And you've made the common mistake of trying to counter a generalisation with a specific example. I don't know that Ian Wright is "as British as they come" as I doubt he has the same historical ties to this nation as most British people. But, even so, I never said black people were incapable of integrating. I am sure we can find many examples of black people who are very well assimilated and obviously they are of no concern.

I don't mind if you want to call me a racist, that accusation is of no consequence to me. I think I am a decent person who treats everyone fairly, but I have my own views and opinions. I'm not going to be cowed about expressing those views because you wish to play the tired old 'R' card.

I've never met a decent person who questions whether "Even if we accept that black and white children are born equal"

Is this the new tactic or something, say something racist and then scream "OMG dey playing da race card again" in some sort of feeble attempt to push the boundary of how much you can get away with before being called out.
 
but neither do UKIP.

Ukip can't stop the capitalist machine. Leaving Europe and locking down our borders won't bring jobs back to Britain, It won't stop out sourcing to cheaper countries. By it's design Money is king Unless you want communism I fail to see how any of what you posted is relevant to Voting us out of Europe OR limiting Ethnic Diversity.
But they are the only party with a leader who bothers to admit the problem of supply and demand in the labour market. It is a step in the right direction. Maybe people will stop diverting every single issue into 'racism' and actually think about what is happening in the real world.

Whether he will do anything about it or not, he at least publicly speaks about outsourcing jobs to India, and IT worker scams, women in the workforce and the effect unlimited immigration has. The others don't even want admit the issues exists publicly.
 
Why would you be worried about babies when some of their parents are in gangs? Assuming you were born at the time, were you worried about babies in Northern Ireland, because some of their parents were terrorists? If the upbringing "moulded" those children, why aren't they bombing buildings right now?

You're changing the arguments ever so slightly. The original debate was higher birth rate with Black Africans in a place where their is a gang/knife culture commited mostly by Black Africans.

I wasn't around. Well not old enough to understand. But yes, it again is something to be mindful of. It always is. You could say in todays age that Islamic Fundamentalists giving birth is something to be wary of?

Btw moulded =/= create. Influence would best describe that.
 
I've never met a decent person who questions whether "Even if we accept that black and white children are born equal"

Is this the new tactic or something, say something racist and then scream "OMG dey playing da race card again" in some sort of feeble attempt to push the boundary of how much you can get away with before being called out.

I've explained why I prefaced my comment: There are numerous studies which indicate a difference in IQ between the races. Would you prefer I was intellectually dishonest and pretend I was unaware of this school of thought? The mature and honest thing to do is acknowledge it, because it would have a significant impact on the question raised.

IF the studies are correct then it's a major concern. IF they are incorrect then they are of no consequence. Even so, there are still other trivial differences (diseases, tolerances etc) which mean that the two children are not entirely equal. No two children are.
 
Yes people are raised different, most importantly by bad parents or good parents. No parents to one parent, raised in poor areas or affluent areas etc

I think the least value in all is the pigment of ones skin, but I guess that's where we differ.

Don't think I don't agree with you. But i wasn't focusing on the pigment of ones skin. Race is so much more than just what colour someone is. Behind it is a whole culture, made from 1000s of years.
 
Gang crime in London and Essex escalated during the 1980’s with the use of Ecstasy in night clubs. Yet, it is the lowest historical levels now, even if the 80's babies were born in a "big gang and knife culture". How do you explain this?

That's balls. Violence decreased with the use of ecstasy. It was when the criminals moved in around 1995 trying to take over nightclub drug dealing that crime and violence increased again in relation to ecstasy. That's how I saw it in N.Ireland.
 
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