Love Britain ? - Vote UKIP.

[BunnyKillBot]

Well there have been many studies (including twin studies) which do indicate a variation in IQ between the races. I think the jury is still out on that issue, so I'd not be willing to hinge my argument exclusively on that fact.

First thing that came to mind



Bravo sire. Bravo. You get all of the Candy. May i tempt you with a slither of white chocolate?

 

[Zethor]

You're changing the arguments ever so slightly. The original debate was higher birth rate with Black Africans in a place where their is a gang/knife culture commited mostly by Black Africans.

I wasn't around. Well not old enough to understand. But yes, it again is something to be mindful of. It always is. You could say in todays age that Islamic Fundamentalists giving birth is something to be wary of?

Btw moulded =/= create. Influence would best describe that.

Society moulds, not parents. Babies born and raised in total **** holes end up as decent/succesful people if they are given a chance. You shouldn't be worried about the birth rates of violent blacks/muslims/whatever, you should be worried about what society does for those babies so that they get the same chances as babies born elsewhere.

 

[Mr. Pickle]

Yep and a baby carries through with them, them 1000s of years of culture right?

Before you get high and mighty, you should consider the fact that culture is created by people, not the other way round.

There is nothing inherent about the grass in China that makes the people there act 'Chinese', they created that culture. If you swapped 50 million Chinese into Britain and visa versa, what do you think would happen?

In that statement you have posted you are essentially just making stuff up.

Most of you in this thread have never bothered to leave the UK, never mind live in other parts of the world and see how people live.

 

[balky12]

Society moulds, not parents. Babies born and raised in total **** holes end up as decent/succesful people if they are given a chance. You shouldn't be worried about the birth rates of violent blacks/muslims/whatever, you should be worried about what society does for those babies so that they get the same chances as babies born elsewhere.

So parents have no influence over the upbringing of a child? Its purely society? And never have I said that ALL people will turn out bad if born in a bad area?

Knife crime in London is increasing year on year. Amount of ethnic minority groups living in London is increasing year on year. Are they related? Worth thinking about...

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Well you see the problem for me is that we fear what we don't' understand given that we right now are evolving our own culture.

Look at Gay rights now compared to 50 years ago.

Look at the Christian : Atheist : Agnostic situation.

We can't claim our culture is being lost when it's evolving all the time. The Fact people even want sharia law is a sign that they are scared of losing their control and cultural identity. Just like you are......

Progression requires an evolution of this identity and UKIP don't represent that progression. They represent a fear of it and wish to hold us back or to coin the sort of phrase the sun and express use. "keep us British" OR make Britain "Great" again.

You're right, cultures evolve and that is not in itself undesirable.

But whether it's progress or not is unclear. We'll not know in our lifetimes whether the massive changes we're making to the shape of our society is for the better. If British birth rates decline sharply due to these changes and the immigration birth rates remain high, there is no future for the British people. Nature doesn't favour the 'progressive' it favours the strong.

I'd also point out that there are very few historical examples of such massive immigrations in the last thousand years. When these massive immigrations occurred historically, they were usually at the detriment of the natives.

Finally, I understand Muslims are concerned about loss of identity. But they came to a foreign land, and as the saying goes: "When in Rome". If they want to keep Sharia et al, they ought to stay in their native lands. Ethnic colonies are not the way forward for us or them, it will ultimately lead to bloody confrontation.

 

[Mr. Pickle]

Society moulds, not parents. Babies born and raised in total **** holes end up as decent/succesful people if they are given a chance. You shouldn't be worried about the birth rates of violent blacks/muslims/whatever, you should be worried about what society does for those babies so that they get the same chances as babies born elsewhere.

And here we are, the crux of a huge problem.

We are now in a generation where a considerable number of people identify with the state, and only the state for their income, welbeing, and even raising their own children. I forsee that this problem is only going to increase.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

First thing that came to mind

Bravo sire. Bravo. You get all of the Candy. May i tempt you with a slither of white chocolate?

Haha!

Well, this isn't fringe science. There have been many studies by well respected professionals.

 

[balky12]

Anyways I am getting tired of this name calling malarke.

I am far from a racist and actually like the multicultural thing we have got going, especially down here in London. It's not without it's down sides (Gang/ Knife culte, sex rings, etc.) but on the whole it works well.

I am all for tightening our borders, definitely not stopping immigration, but adobting and Oz type of approach. 'Sure you can come and live here, but first, what can you do for us'.

Oh... and i vote Tory.

 

[balky12]

And here we are, the crux of a huge problem.

We are now in a generation where a considerable number of people identify with the state, and only the state for their income, welbeing, and even raising their own children. I forsee that this problem is only going to increase.

CAN NOT QUOTE THIS ENOUGH!!!!! YES SIR!!!! Many parents nowadays do not step up to the plate and actually parent their children.

An example I see is with football clubs I help run. Parents drop their kids off as its free childcare. Sometimes other parents have to take their kids home after. The parents have no interest in their kid.

 

[Craterloads]

You're right, cultures evolve and that is not in itself undesirable.

But whether it's progress or not is unclear. We'll not know in our lifetimes whether the massive changes we're making to the shape of our society is for the better. If British birth rates decline sharply due to these changes and the immigration birth rates remain high, there is no future for the British people. Nature doesn't favour the 'progressive' it favours the strong.

I'd also point out that there are very few historical examples of such massive immigrations in the last thousand years. When these massive immigrations occurred historically, they were usually at the detriment of the natives.

Out of interest what do you class as "British birth rates" and "immigration birth rates" ?

Finally, I understand Muslims are concerned about loss of identity. But they came to a foreign land, and as the saying goes: "When in Rome". If they want to keep Sharia et al, they ought to stay in their native lands. Ethnic colonies are not the way forward for us or them, it will ultimately lead to bloody confrontation

What do you say to Muslims whose native land is the UK? Move somewhere else?

 

[The Running Man]

Out of interest what do you class as "British birth rates" and "immigration birth rates" ?



What do you say to Muslims whose native land is the UK? Move somewhere else?

1, that's pretty obvious. Babies born to immigrants.

2, we say continue as you were. It's our fault for giving so many uneccessasry Consessions. Doesn't make it right that we continue as a country to provide more Consessions leading to an increased desire of muslims to move here leading to even more concessions. ..

 

[Zethor]

So parents have no influence over the upbringing of a child? Its purely society? And never have I said that ALL people will turn out bad if born in a bad area?

Knife crime in London is increasing year on year. Amount of ethnic minority groups living in London is increasing year on year. Are they related? Worth thinking about...

You're worried about it and I have shown that statistically and historically your worries are unfounded. They originate in preconceived ideas which are the main sources of racism and xenophobia.

Knife crime in London is increasing year on year. Amount of grey squirrels living in London is increasing year on year. Are they related? Worth thinking about...

And here we are, the crux of a huge problem.

We are now in a generation where a considerable number of people identify with the state, and only the state for their income, welbeing, and even raising their own children. I forsee that this problem is only going to increase.

I think the crux of the problem is your command of the English language. Society =/= state.

 

[badcompany]

That's balls. Violence decreased with the use of ecstasy. It was when the criminals moved in around 1995 trying to take over nightclub drug dealing that crime and violence increased again in relation to ecstasy. That's how I saw it in N.Ireland.

Early 90's there was a marked drop in football violence due to ecstasy usage. I should know I was there and I took ecstasy.

 

[BunnyKillBot]

Haha!

Well, this isn't fringe science. There have been many studies by well respected professionals.

Shall I compare thee to Calvin Candy?
Thou art more '21st Century' and more educated.
Racists do shake the bounds of social acceptability
And complacency hath all too short a date.
Sometime too loud the mouths of bigots shout,
And often is their stupidity mocked;
And everyone can be a bit racist sometimes,
By naivety, or crude jokes, uncensored;
But thy entrenched racism shall not win,
Nor find the seat of political power thou wan'st,
Nor shall England brag thou wand’rest in it's might,
When in democratic free speech thou lives.
So long as men can breathe, or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.

 

[balky12]

You're worried about it and I have shown that statistically and historically your worries are unfounded. They originate in preconceived ideas which are the main sources of racism and xenophobia.

Knife crime in London is increasing year on year. Amount of grey squirrels living in London is increasing year on year. Are they related? Worth thinking about...



I think the crux of the problem is your command of the English language. Society =/= state.

What am I worried about? Sorry I think you're assuming again, like when you decided I was a UKIP voter.

Your argument re knife crime and squirrels is laughable at best. Just because squirrels increasing and knife crime increasing are unrelated, knife crime increasing and Black African population increasing is unrelated? Even though most knife crime in London is commited by Black Africans?

Anyways, my summary was few posts back.

Pleasure having the debate. After all, it would be terribly dull if we were, actually, exactly the same.

 

[Craterloads]

1, that's pretty obvious. Babies born to immigrants.

So when do the babies of immigrants become British? or do they ever? Are the babies of babies of immigrants British?

2, we say continue as you were. It's our fault for giving so many uneccessasry Consessions. Doesn't make it right that we continue as a country to provide more Consessions leading to an increased desire of muslims to move here leading to even more concessions. ..

What concessions have lead to more Muslims wanting to move here?

Why do you feel these concessions are unnecessary?

Do you accept that Muslims native to the UK have equal rights just as anyone else?

 

[The Running Man]

You're worried about it and I have shown that statistically and historically your worries are unfounded. They originate in preconceived ideas which are the main sources of racism and xenophobia.

Knife crime in London is increasing year on year. Amount of grey squirrels living in London is increasing year on year. Are they related? Worth thinking about...



I think the crux of the problem is your command of the English language. Society =/= state.

The crux of the problem is that you don't understand the issue at hand. How many squirrels have been sentenced for knife crime?

I suggest you read up on the issue and come back when you are in command of the stats

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html

 

[V F]

Early 90's there was a marked drop in football violence

Yet they want to allow people to drink beer in the stands… Or so there is talks of that. More £££.

 

[Zethor]

The crux of the problem is that you don't understand the issue at hand. How many squirrels have been sentenced for knife crime?

I suggest you read up on the issue and come back when you are in command of the stats

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html

The post I replied to refered to immigrants. Your link leads to an article about blacks in general. I suppose there's not much of a difference between them for you guys, they're all the same, aren't they?

 

[Schlong&Stable]

So when do the babies of immigrants become British? or do they ever? Are the babies of babies of immigrants British?

Well they currently become British if they are born here, but I would point out the obvious: If I was born in China, no one would dream of saying I'm Han Chinese. I might be a Chinese citizen, but that is a different thing altogether.