Soldato
Unfortunately, that's going to be inevitable! While the current parties think they are doing what they can to make the UK a better place, they will not be able to cater for all.
Love Britain ? - Vote UKIP.
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Unfortunately, that's going to be inevitable! While the current parties think they are doing what they can to make the UK a better place, they will not be able to cater for all.
Soldato
presumably if we started to restrict free movement of people into the uk and restrict work..other countries would be free to do the same to UK citizens going abroad to work or visit
imagine needing a visa to go on holiday to spain of france
imagine needing a visa to go on holiday to spain of france
Soldato
I love Britain, and, as such, will not be voting for UKIP. Although I respect Farage, he is still living in post-war Britain, has archaic ideas, and opposes many thing that I agree with, such as free movement between countries. I agree with his desire for free trade, but past that, there is very little that appeals to me. Furthermore, his core voters are 50+ white folk, who've probably never encountered anyone outside Christchurch in their long years.
The irrational fear of change is what annoys me most, though.
The irrational fear of change is what annoys me most, though.
Well that wouldn't happen seeing as their economies heavily rely on the tourist industry. It's this kind of drivel that's spouted out by EU lobbyists.
I won't be voting for UKIP but I agree on quite a few of thier policies. **awaits to be shouted down by some god almighty forum poster who wants to impose their political views on me**
Soldato
Fear of change!, ever thought that people just don't like it and are happy as they are? so why should they change.
Soldato
Which is pretty much the problem with our entire political system.
Unenlightened self-interest from both sides of the fence.
On a side note it's a straw man to assume that people dislike UKIP for those justifications, many left/right wing voters dislike them for entirely moral reasons.
If change should occur or not should be based on the net social benefit, not simply to appease the current beneficiaries of society who are happy to maintain the existing social standards.
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Nope.
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Do we have elections for dams these days too? Wow
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-26949172
"Claimants with poor spoken English will need to take part in local training, and be expected to improve within six months"
And what if they don't improve? And who pays for this?
Having lived in the countryside my entire life, i moved to inner city London for a nice job. Met my German gf (now looking for a house around Zone 6 onward), work in Moorgate with three thousand skilled professional workers of which most come from around the world, & have met only five fellow northerners.
But the sheer amount of poor immigrants south of the river is shocking. I feel like a stranger when catching the bus home & frankly sick of it. I felt more at home when on holiday in Iceland than London.
It's hard to describe in words but it just wears you down living around people you have nothing in common with, which is why we're moving out of London. So i will vote UKIP & hope this protest vote hits home with LibLabCon.
"Claimants with poor spoken English will need to take part in local training, and be expected to improve within six months"
And what if they don't improve? And who pays for this?
Having lived in the countryside my entire life, i moved to inner city London for a nice job. Met my German gf (now looking for a house around Zone 6 onward), work in Moorgate with three thousand skilled professional workers of which most come from around the world, & have met only five fellow northerners.
But the sheer amount of poor immigrants south of the river is shocking. I feel like a stranger when catching the bus home & frankly sick of it. I felt more at home when on holiday in Iceland than London.
It's hard to describe in words but it just wears you down living around people you have nothing in common with, which is why we're moving out of London. So i will vote UKIP & hope this protest vote hits home with LibLabCon.
Caporegime
When your country is relatively wealthy but with generous benefits and free NHS how can freedom of movement be a good thing for us. You are suggesting an ideal that will decrease the wealth of the country.
Soldato
From your link
"Jobseekers will need to live in the UK for three months to claim child benefit and child tax credit, starting in July"
WTF is going on? Our NHS needs money more then these people. And I hope they pay for the training and NOT ME.
Soldato
Farage was elected to the European Parliament where according to Guy Verhofstadt he doesn't attend committees that he's paid to attend.
Good luck having him as PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-26948162
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Good luck having him as PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-26948162
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
THINK OF THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN
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I picked up on that. I don't necessarily think it's racist just a poor choice of words. In my optimism, I hope he meant the "statistically average" working class. Foolish choice of words though as the liberally minded would have been sat there watching the debate waiting for a slip.
The poor country boosts the youth population and provides cheaper labour, which decreases the costs of goods, which get sold to everyone (including the cheap labourers), which is where the money for the generous benefits and free NHS come from.
Restricting free movement would result in only one thing: less EU citizens from less developed EU countries, more immigrants from underdeveloped parts of Asia/Africa.
Being against free movement in the EU means you are for increasing immigration yet UKIP is firmly positioned against the latter as well. Just one example of the irrational stances of this joke of a party.
Politics in the UK is essentially voting who will beat the living **** out of you over the next 5 years.
Conservatives - The posh toff letting all his mates have a go at beating you
Lib Dem - The conservatives lapdog letting all the other parties have a go
Labour - The bloke who used to be beer swilling, mining, boxing working working class hero but is now a toff masquerading as a working class man stabbing you in the back every time you turn around
UKIP - The closet racist
BNP - The neo nazi
Conservatives - The posh toff letting all his mates have a go at beating you
Lib Dem - The conservatives lapdog letting all the other parties have a go
Labour - The bloke who used to be beer swilling, mining, boxing working working class hero but is now a toff masquerading as a working class man stabbing you in the back every time you turn around
UKIP - The closet racist
BNP - The neo nazi
Soldato
Fortunately like all right wing politicians who hide their true opinions to appeal to the masses eventually they slip up and the mask falls long enough to reveal the real motives that lies beneath. Nigel has done well to maintain the illusion this long he must have better coaches than nick griffin
Soldato
He couldn't have said "statistically average working class" because there are no statistics to support such a wide statement.
There is a white underclass in the UK, but it certainly isn't the case that "the white working class has become an underclass" (i.e. Farage's statement is an absolute; the whole of the white working class (as a group) is now an underclass)
The problem of that white underclass is a complete lack of skills, confidence, and ambition. The solution to that is investment in education and opportunity targeting those groups. The solution isn't to be reducing the immigrant workforce, which only reduces the UK's productivity.
Caporegime
Not true. remember we dont manufacturer much here anyway esoecially consumer items and what use are cheaper goods if no one can afford them due to being unemployed anyway?
Restricting free movement would stop the huge influx of non English speaking people. We don't need more non eu either. Q country with 2 million unemployed does not need to import a work force im sorry to break that to you.
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