Lowering - Why??

over the top like that, on a side note I'm not sure if it's the dudes car as well but the M3 in one of the ebay pics looks like it's running 2 tone lol ( black arches, silver front )
 
Lowering is a bit like boobs. Some people want to enhance the look at the expense of a slightly harder ride, some people like to keep the original aesthetics and prefer the extra suppleness, others go OTT and it looks ridiculous but everyone has their own personal preference on the scale.

Personally I think the BMW in the OP looks ridiculous and broken, a bit like Katy Price.
 
so is this thread about lowering or about over the top / rather extreme lowering ?



There isn't a difference. The manufacturer spent a lot of time and money getting the suspension how they wanted it. Lowering it does little more than **** it all up. Getting the whole lot replaced might at least give you acceptable handling - assuming the correct coilovers and setup - but it still makes your car look stupid. If the vehicle is genuinely set up for track, then still looks stupid, but at least there's a reason. But just putting shorter springs on is for idiots.
 
There isn't a difference. The manufacturer spent a lot of time and money getting the suspension how they wanted it. Lowering it does little more than **** it all up. Getting the whole lot replaced might at least give you acceptable handling - assuming the correct coilovers and setup - but it still makes your car look stupid. If the vehicle is genuinely set up for track, then still looks stupid, but at least there's a reason. But just putting shorter springs on is for idiots.

nope they spent a lot of time and money making things cost effective and suitable for the highly lucrative bigger wheel options that they will offer

you could read half a dozen new car reviews to find one that mentions bad handling or a disgusting arch gap. its not a priority for some things


in those cases lowering will not ruin anything. it will hardly change handling and will make the owner be happier with their car
 
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There isn't a difference. The manufacturer spent a lot of time and money getting the suspension how they wanted it. Lowering it does little more than **** it all up. Getting the whole lot replaced might at least give you acceptable handling - assuming the correct coilovers and setup - but it still makes your car look stupid. If the vehicle is genuinely set up for track, then still looks stupid, but at least there's a reason. But just putting shorter springs on is for idiots.

I've being reading up and talking to specialist to find the most suitable ride heights for my car.

An M3 CSL with it's 19" wheels sits at a height of 665mm front and 660mm rear from floor measured to arch. About 345mm / 340mm measured from centre of wheel to eliminate wheel/tyre size/pressure.

This is a great handling car which BMW design with track in mind, but even this can be improved on for track and fast road whilst still maintaining comfort, it's just not cheap. To maintain comfort you need expensive coil overs such as KW, AST, Ohlins, Nitrons, Motons etc. So 2-5k in suspension and ideally smaller wheels 18"

In short Thorney motorsport, Simpsons, centre of mavity, Spires, wheels in motion, Powerstation are all pretty much recommending the same which is:-
645mm front and 640mm rear or 330/325mm measured from centre of wheel and then corner weight. The result is a much lower car but not slammed. Owners with this and myself it's simply a revelation, great improvement.

They key to success is keeping the suspension arms parallel to the ground so they have good range of movement, people who slam cars means the arms are not parallel and as such the suspension can't operate properly.

But lowering works as long as you do it right, consider a stock M3 they are even higher than CSL from factory, so a good 30mm drop will improve the car a lot if quality items are used. :)

Even cars from the factory which are sporty such as M3 can still be improved if done right, it just tends to be expensive in parts and setting up.

It is simple physics a lower cog improves handling as long as you don't compromise the rest of the suspension and introduce to much bump steer etc and remember going lower means more front camber sometimes too. You have to remember changing ride height has positives/negatives hence each car has an ideal ride height, lower normally means harsher ride but better performance. Though some setups can go lower and also improve comfort too, you get what you pay for with suspension.

Problem is as per the car posted by OP some people simply think go as low as possible and slam it, this does indeed ruin the handling and will actually vastly reduce the lifespan of the suspension.
 
There isn't a difference. The manufacturer spent a lot of time and money getting the suspension how they wanted it. Lowering it does little more than **** it all up. Getting the whole lot replaced might at least give you acceptable handling - assuming the correct coilovers and setup - but it still makes your car look stupid. If the vehicle is genuinely set up for track, then still looks stupid, but at least there's a reason. But just putting shorter springs on is for idiots.

What must it be like to be this naive..

Op car does look like crap though.
 
Lowering is a bit like boobs. Some people want to enhance the look at the expense of a slightly harder ride, some people like to keep the original aesthetics and prefer the extra suppleness, others go OTT and it looks ridiculous but everyone has their own personal preference on the scale.

Personally I think the BMW in the OP looks ridiculous and broken, a bit like Katy Price.

Profound.

I recently bought my first lowered car and to be fair it looks spot on and rides nicely... It's just those god damn speed bumps which cause me grief :(
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I drive a lowered BMW
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Its not as lowered as my Golf
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But that 530 looked broken
 
Because my last few cars have all had active suspension (either air or oil) whenever I see lowered cars they just look broken to me. That 5-series looks identical to how a Mercedes looks when something extremely expensive has gone bang :p
 
I don't understand these people that "slam" there car and then think that because its low and has virtually no give in the suspension it handles well :confused: A lot of standard cars are too stiff and crash and bang over British roads there's no way a car with virtually no suspension will handle well on a British road.
 
I don't understand these people that "slam" there car and then think that because its low and has virtually no give in the suspension it handles well :confused: A lot of standard cars are too stiff and crash and bang over British roads there's no way a car with virtually no suspension will handle well on a British road.

Or indeed any road, we have one of the best road systems in the world. Imagine a lowered car in America for example, on roads which make an S-Class feel under-damped :p
 
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