Luton airport...

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

They "believe" which correct me if I am wrong still isn't fact.

I "believe" Manchester United will win the Premier League this season couldn't be any further than the truth.

No its not a fact, they haven't confirmed specifically at this point.
I believe they haven't specifically confirmed yet, but generally when someone like the fire brigade says they believe its xyz then the chances are its based on something tangible rather than just making stuff up.

I'm not really sure what the issue is anyway.

Are you desperate for it to be an Ev or something?

 

[Minstadave]

They "believe" which correct me if I am wrong still isn't fact.

I "believe" Manchester United will win the Premier League this season couldn't be any further than the truth.

Don't double down....

 

[Chris Wilson]

I was actually pondering this over the last few weeks, we're looking for a new place and one of my items I'd like is a garage, so I've started asking around on what the best / cheapest way would be to heat it and the overwhelming majority of the responses are "diesel heater".

Seems diesel is quite a slow burner (which is why most diesel engines have much lower RPM limits than petrol) even with compression, but when not compressed it takes forever to burn.

I wonder how it compares to paraffin...

The reasons diesels generally run at lower RPM's than eqivalent "power" petrol engines are mainly threefold. One they are running in permanent detonation, which puts huge stresses on the reciprocating parts. This requires pistons, conrods and crank to be VERY substantial and thus very heavy, precluding the ability tp rev higher with impunity to breakage or excess wear. Secondly they produce maximum torque at much lower RPM's than petrol engines of equivalent size, so there's little need to try and up the RPM limits. And thirdly due to the nature of the diesel combustion process cam timing is difficult to balance between excellent low end torque, the diesel's forte, and higher RPM efficiency, where emissions and fuel efficiency tend to go to pot, but gearing issues may be helped to give a good top speed.

 

[adam cool dude]

No its not a fact, they haven't confirmed specifically at this point.
I believe they haven't specifically confirmed yet, but generally when someone like the fire brigade says they believe its xyz then the chances are its based on something tangible rather than just making stuff up.

I'm not really sure what the issue is anyway.

Are you desperate for it to be an Ev or something?

No I couldn't care but it is funny that people were up in arms initially when it was mentioned to be an EV but they will take it to the bank when a fireman "believes" it was a diesel.

It still isn't fact in both cases. Even though it is more than likely a diesel. It is just typical lazy journalism where nothing is based on facts.

 

[labbby]

Just heard it did indeed start from a desiel vehicle but only because a EV drove into it.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

No I couldn't care but it is funny that people were up in arms initially when it was mentioned to be an EV but they will take it to the bank when a fireman "believes" it was a diesel.

It still isn't fact in both cases. Even though it is more than likely a diesel. It is just typical lazy journalism where nothing is based on facts.

There is literally a video showing the only vehicle on fire is a diesel Range Rover with multiple eye whiteness reports who were actually there when it happened saying the same thing. They even said they tried to put it out with an extinguisher before evacuating.

I’m not sure what more evidence you actually need.

The reason spokes people for the fire service say ‘believe’ is because they are officials of the same service who will be conducting an investigation into the cause of the fire. They saying what they believe to be the cause of the fire at this time pending the official investigation. It’s media training and laser speak…

 

[maschio]

If it does indeed turn out that it was an EV that combusted, destroyed a car park along with over 1000 other cars, caused planes to be diverted and disrupted an airports operations then the knock on implications would be enormous.

Concerns would be raised (quite rightly) regards the safety of parking EV's in all multi story car parks around the country, including all other airports, ferry travel, channel tunnel, below ground parking in apartment complexes and on and on it would go.

Hence it will be declared that it was an old diesel with a leaky tank/loose wire/dodgy MOT and all the above implications will go away

 

[leoncuprar]

Hi.. I'm probably flying out of Luton for the first time in a couple of weeks and was going to book parking today... the official website won't do any bookings right now, so wondered if any regular flyers from there have an top tips for parking now there.

Thanks

 

[adam cool dude]

There is literally a video showing the only vehicle on fire is a diesel Range Rover with multiple eye whiteness reports who were actually there when it happened saying the same thing. They even said they tried to put it out with an extinguisher before evacuating.

I’m not sure what more evidence you actually need.

The reason spokes people for the fire service say ‘believe’ is because they are officials of the same service who will be conducting an investigation into the cause of the fire. They saying what they believe to be the cause of the fire at this time pending the official investigation. It’s media training and laser speak…

Again the video shows it is a range rover Evoque which comes in 3 different flavours of propulsion.

Also a diesel cannot be a cause of a fire. It is a fuel. Simple primary school fire triangle stuff.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

No I couldn't care but it is funny that people were up in arms initially when it was mentioned to be an EV but they will take it to the bank when a fireman "believes" it was a diesel.

It still isn't fact in both cases. Even though it is more than likely a diesel. It is just typical lazy journalism where nothing is based on facts.

Were they up in arms, or did you think thats what it would be
The first post mentioning Ev was mocking in advance the sorts (like the boat fire) that immediately would leap to blame an EV.

Then you had around 10 posts of derp. The usual stuff.

So I really struggle to see the fact anyone mentioned it was an Ev, but that a load of the normal derp that was predicted happened.

Could you point to which post you think was a negative reaction to it being mentioned it was an EV?

My suspicion would be that they know the vehicle that has been shown as the potential source, or potential patient zero is a diesel. But they cannot confirm that it was definitely patient zero.

If it does indeed turn out that it was an EV that combusted, destroyed a car park along with over 1000 other cars, caused planes to be diverted and disrupted an airports operations then the knock on implications would be enormous.

Concerns would be raised (quite rightly) regards the safety of parking EV's in all multi story car parks around the country, including all other airports, ferry travel, channel tunnel, below ground parking in apartment complexes and on and on it would go.

Hence it will be declared that it was an old diesel with a leaky tank/loose wire/dodgy MOT and all the above implications will go away

Good time to get some CT in.

 

[200sols]

The EV haters are back

 

[tom_e]

Again the video shows it is a range rover Evoque which comes in 3 different flavours of propulsion.

Also a diesel cannot be a cause of a fire. It is a fuel. Simple primary school fire triangle stuff.

I mean if we're getting into language semantics then I'd say "a diesel" can be the cause of a fire given that's slang for a diesel powered vehicle.

Now if someone had said "the diesel" was the cause of the fire or indeed just "diesel" was the cause I'd say you may be correct.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

I mean if we're getting into language semantics then I'd say "a diesel" can be the cause of a fire given that's slang for a diesel powered vehicle.

Now if someone had said "the diesel" was the cause of the fire or indeed just "diesel" was the cause I'd say you may be correct.

Thing is they did and hes wrong

"Fire chiefs investigating a huge fire at an airport's multi-storey car park believe it started from a diesel car."

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Again the video shows it is a range rover Evoque which comes in 3 different flavours of propulsion.

Also a diesel cannot be a cause of a fire. It is a fuel. Simple primary school fire triangle stuff.

Seriously? Talk about primary school arguments

The driver of said car was on scene given they were driving the vehicle. I’m pretty sure they’d have a good idea what they were driving. They were probably one of the people treated for smoke inhalation given they were inside the cause of the fire.

 

[visibleman]

Hi.. I'm probably flying out of Luton for the first time in a couple of weeks and was going to book parking today... the official website won't do any bookings right now, so wondered if any regular flyers from there have an top tips for parking now there.

Thanks

Used Purple Parking a few weeks back, which was in Slip End, due to short notice. Seemed ok, 15min bus each way, bit of security around, lots of pot holes and some of the ground is rough in parts, wouldn't leave anything of serious worth there though.

 

[Diddums]

If it does indeed turn out that it was an EV that combusted, destroyed a car park along with over 1000 other cars, caused planes to be diverted and disrupted an airports operations then the knock on implications would be enormous.

Concerns would be raised (quite rightly) regards the safety of parking EV's in all multi story car parks around the country, including all other airports, ferry travel, channel tunnel, below ground parking in apartment complexes and on and on it would go.

Hence it will be declared that it was an old diesel with a leaky tank/loose wire/dodgy MOT and all the above implications will go away

And if it was a christmas cracker that combusted? Would the implications be as bad or would we all collectively go "aaaah gosh those darned pesky christmas crackers are at it again lol"

Dunno why it matters what fuel it was, the car could have run on minced kittens for all we care, makes absolutely **** all difference.

 

[div0]

If an external ignition source causes some of the vehicle materials to ignite, but not the batteries themselves (which is entirely plausible)

A fire large enough to cause structural collapse of the car park, but yet doesn't cause a single EV battery to ignite, out of tens (?) of potentially affected cars.

That's quite an impressive design if that's true.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

And if it was a christmas cracker that combusted? Would the implications be as bad or would we all collectively go "aaaah gosh those darned pesky christmas crackers are at it again lol"

Dunno why it matters what fuel it was, the car could have run on minced kittens for all we care, makes absolutely **** all difference.

If you follow the FUD constantly run by many newspapers and spread online you should realise that they would have been going on about it for weeks if it was an EV.

If you do want to follow it, follow Bobby llewellin (spelling!) of red dwarf fame. He often posts about them and sometimes they are hilarious.
Like the one a couple of months ago about a flood killing an EV, along with photos. When the car was very much NOT an EV.

 

[adam cool dude]

I mean if we're getting into language semantics then I'd say "a diesel" can be the cause of a fire given that's slang for a diesel powered vehicle.

Now if someone had said "the diesel" was the cause of the fire or indeed just "diesel" was the cause I'd say you may be correct.

A diesel car can never be the cause of a fire. There has to be an ignition or heat source to create that fire. If it was Petrol or EV the result would still be the same.

 

[tom_e]

A diesel car can never be the cause of a fire. There has to be an ignition or heat source to create that fire. If it was Petrol or EV the result would still be the same.

So you're trying to tell me there's nothing in the whole of a car which can cause a spark and therefore provide the heat in your primary school example?
This is a weird hill to die on.