Mac users' elitism

PhilthyPhil · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:30

Matt said:
Exactly If only everyone could take this approach instead of insulting others for their choice, making stupid little remarks, and trying to better one another

Out of interest what is it you don't like? The ribbon toolbar, the colour, the aero effect...?

benjo plz. · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:32

PhilthyPhil said:
Out of interest what is it you don't like? The ribbon toolbar, the colour, the aero effect...?

Who knows? bar the aero, they'll be getting the rest in Office 2008 lol.

lay-z-boy · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:33

had a powerbook

broke

drove over it

binned it

got a m1710

not looked back.

Al Vallario · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:34

$loth said:
Most users haven't heard of 'safari' etc, only popular ones such as iTunes.

Safari is only available for OS X, and you don't have to know what it is; it's the default web browser on the platform. It comes pre-installed, you use it, it's great. Far better than IE6, and probably IE7 to boot.

$loth said:
As dirtydog has said, VLC is bundled with many pc's if PowerDVD is not which it usually is.

I've never seen VLC bundled with an OEM system? :confused:

...and what happens if you build the system yourself? PowerDVD isn't bundled with Windows XP, and that is the point I think many are getting at here.

Jet · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:34

pmbuzz said:
That was as ugly then as it is now.
A "design hallmark" for Apple, no-one else iirc.

That's not Apple's quote lol. I don't think it's very good looking either, I never bought one but those guys are posting modern PC's and you post a near 10 year old design that was very successful.

I don't agree with the thread btw, some PC's look great and i've built quite a few which I have loved.

Raikiri said:
Must be your Mac/PC... has never crashed on mine

I can only rely on my experience. It's worse on Mac though. Not that it needs it as much as Windows users. The rest of the points still stand though.

$loth said:
Most users haven't heard of 'safari' etc, only popular ones such as iTunes.

As dirtydog has said, VLC is bundled with many pc's if PowerDVD is not which it usually is

VLC is not bundled with PC's. Safari is. You don't have to have heard of it to find it. Just reading the manual is enough. And PowerDVD may be bundled (I don't think it is often though) but that will add cost to the system. On OSX it's built into the OS, i.e. free, apart from the OS cost of course.

benjo plz. · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:35

This is what Word 2007 looks like on my laptop.

Al Vallario said:
it's great. Far better than IE6, and probably IE7 to boot.

Which is why most people use FireFox.

PhilthyPhil · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:36

Jet said:
Fact is you have to pay for DVD software. Most users haven't even heard of VLC. It aint expensive but then neither is Quicktime imo (not that its neccessary). I was using his word against him

I just put a DVD in my PC and it played in Windows Media Player without a problem :confused:

Al Vallario · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:37

Phnom_Penh said:
Which is why most people use FireFox.

On Windows, maybe.

On OS X? No chance. I use Safari on a day-to-day basis, as does every other mac user I know. Firefox on OS X is sluggish, ugly and provides few benefits over Safari.

benjo plz. · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:38

Al Vallario said:
On Windows, maybe.

On OS X? No chance. I use Safari on a day-to-day basis, as does every other mac user I know. Firefox on OS X is sluggish, ugly and provides few benefits over Safari.

Who said anything about OSX? I was talking about IE7 being crud.

Jet · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:41

PhilthyPhil said:
I just put a DVD in my PC and it played in Windows Media Player without a problem

You obviously have DVD software installed.

To play DVDs using the Player, you must have a DVD-ROM drive, a computer running the Microsoft Windows XP operating system, and either a software or hardware DVD decoder installed on your computer. (By default, Windows does not include a DVD decoder.)

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/knowledgecenter/mediaadvice/0072.mspx

I don't know if Vista will include one but it's way behind OSX if nothing else.

dirtydog · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:42

Jet said:
Fact is you have to pay for DVD software. Most users haven't even heard of VLC. It aint expensive but then neither is Quicktime imo (not that its neccessary). I was using his word against him

£20 to get it to play full screen... imagine if Windows Media Player was like that, people would be slagging MS off to high heaven but because it's Apple it's okay

dirtydog · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:43

Al Vallario said:
OS X is sluggish, ugly and provides few benefits over Windows.

Fixed

"andy" · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:45

wheres the linux geeks at ?

shouldnt they be here slating both osx and windows

dirtydog · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:47

Dunno but I'm amazed this wasn't moved into the Linux/OSX forum hours ago

Al Vallario · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:49

dirtydog said:
£20 to get it to play full screen... imagine if Windows Media Player was like that, people would be slagging MS off to high heaven but because it's Apple it's okay

£20 for Quicktime Pro, which is centered around recording/downloading video content, encoding audio/video etc. I agree that the full screen capability is a tad ridiculous, but its not exactly restrictive, is it? No one in their right mind would want to watch low quality streaming videos at full screen, and if you insist you can just open your videos using Frontrow, or use a third party application like VLC player.

Now imagine if OS X couldn't play DVDs out of the box, people would be slagging Apple off to high heaven but because it's Microsoft it's okay

alexakasloth · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:49

Jet said:
And PowerDVD may be bundled (I don't think it is often though) but that will add cost to the system.

I think it usually is, many systems i've seen have it bundled. The extra cost is a few quid literally (£2.95 on a competitor website).

On OSX it's built into the OS, i.e. free, apart from the OS cost of course.

So it's not free then, as it's in the cost of the OS. The cost is there, you just can't see it.

Al Vallario said:
...and what happens if you build the system yourself? PowerDVD isn't bundled with Windows XP, and that is the point I think many are getting at here.

PowerDVD comes with many retail dvd drives.

dirtydog · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:50

Al Vallario said:
Now imagine if OS X couldn't play DVDs out of the box, people would be slagging Apple off to high heaven but because it's Microsoft it's okay

I believe you can buy the codecs from MS for WMP for a few pounds, and Vista will play DVDs out of the box. Apple obviously made Quicktime crippled deliberately to screw £20 (or $30) out of its users, yes even people who paid all that money for a new Mac.

Jet · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:51

dirtydog said:
£20 to get it to play full screen... imagine if Windows Media Player was like that, people would be slagging MS off to high heaven but because it's Apple it's okay

It's not ok, I don't agree with it, i've already said that but i've played down it's importance. Most videos on the net look terrible in full screen view because of the resolution. You can still stretch the window to fit anywa; you just end up with a smaller screen lol.

I think a DVD player is a lot more important than stretching videos to fit the whole screen, to the average user. Do you disagree? If you could have one or the other which would you choose?

dirtydog · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:52

$loth said:
PowerDVD comes with many retail dvd drives.

I believe even when I've bought white box OEM drives you get an OEM player like PowerDVD as well. Or it's about £2 to buy at auction or whatever

PhilthyPhil · 14 Jan 2007 at 19:53

dirtydog said:
and Vista will play DVDs out of the box

That explains that then, I can't remember ever trying to play a DVD on XP and when I just tried on Vista it worked fine so I was confused by all this talk of VLC etc.