Macs price tag... why?

Macbook and Macbook Pro trackpads have a simple action for their 'right click' - either two fingers on the pad and click, or, on the Air and Pro, tap with two fingers. That point is moot, and has been for years :p

You can tap two fingers on the MacBook too, but you need to turn it on is System Preferences.
 
Still cant get over the fact the mac mouse STILL only has 1 button lol...

And Pc's have mice with 2+ buttons lol...

Just no. :rolleyes:

All macs, that come with mice, have two buttons. Even before they didn't you could use a different mouse with more than one button.
 
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IMO Macs are very good value for money - If you are naive you will try to compare a macs spec with the cheapest windows PC for the money - probably some horrible Acer or something with a creaky case, terrible battery life, bad drivers and none of the finishing touches - e.g. a nice keyboard action.
In fact they should be compared against something like a Vaio - higher quality components, and a bit of style. If you compare a Macbook against the equivilent Vaio i am confident that the Macbook will be better specced for a lower price.

Its like these people who say - Subnotebook: Macbook Air Vs. Asuss EEE - OMG the Air is sooo overpriced!
 
Its like these people who say - Subnotebook: Macbook Air Vs. Asuss EEE - OMG the Air is sooo overpriced!

I don't believe anyone makes that price comparison.

With regards to the MB Air, its not overpriced, its just a waste of money.

The eeePC is built for purpose, like most other Macs are, and the price reflects this.

The MB Air is just an expensive product with no benefits over anything cheaper and exists purely to look nice and act as a demonstration of what can be achieved with technology. Its no more of a product than Intel's Skulltrail board.
 
In fact they should be compared against something like a Vaio - higher quality components, and a bit of style. If you compare a Macbook against the equivilent Vaio i am confident that the Macbook will be better specced for a lower price.

Compare the MacBook with the Dell XPS M1330 (a very fair comparison in terms of features and build quality), and the Dell tends to be a little bit cheaper. I actually looked into getting a MacBook earlier this year to replace my Dell Inspiron 630m, but the M1330 was cheaper and a better overall spec. I don't regret it at all, but it is a bit of a shame because it'd have been nice to have a different OS to play with.
 
I've found the mac to be more cohesive with the tools that come with it. Third party applications also are more integrated in the mac 'style of working' than the windows.

I prefer the mac way of working. True it does hide away the detailed techy parts but only because you don't normally use them on a daily basis thus it makes sense.

I find myself more 'productive' with the mac for some odd reason. Just something that I find through experience with it.

As for the mac hardware. It's very good. I carry my MBP on a daily basis now - why? Because with Parallels I've just transported my entire windows build off the laptop and run it in a VM. The laptop is in my work desk simply because I don't have space at home (I work partly from home and hotdesk at work) for two laptops and work windows install is actually faster in a VM on my MBP than my IBM T42 (pentium M 1GB)!
I don't mind having my work laptop 'inside' my MBP. I showed our system admin he was simply blown away..

With 10.5.3 I'm happier with OSX as the PITA memory leaks have been solved and the platform for me is more stable. I'm looking forward to 10.6 for OpenCL (although my requirement is not a mainstream

I'm also considering a the 'premium price' of a Mac Pro although this has to fight with the other life costs and priorities. Why? Again I can see value in it (arbeit less than the MBP for general usage).
 
I don't mind having my work laptop 'inside' my MBP. I showed our system admin he was simply blown away..

I'm also considering a the 'premium price' of a Mac Pro although this has to fight with the other life costs and priorities. Why? Again I can see value in it (arbeit less than the MBP for general usage).

I demoed what a Mac can do and hopefully some will be purchased for us in IT. :cool::D

The cost of a Mac Pro is one of the things that confuses your Windows advocates as they see the price tag and then look at the (relatively) poor graphics and proprietary case design and cannot equate why it costs so much. Want they cannot (or chose not to) see is the fact that it is a serious number-crunching horse-power and it is not for playing games.

You have really got to justify the need for a Pro or just be rich like EVH! :p;)
 
I love Mac's and I mean LOVE them, I have a Macbook Pro and will soon be getting a new iMac but will i be running OS X as my main OS, No. I don't like OS X and have used it for 6 months now and just prefer Vista. The only reason I boot into OSX is run iPhoto ;).

So for me...
Apple hardware.
Windows Operating System. ;)
 
I think no matter what any PC owners say, no mac user is going to change their mind, just as no mac user is going to change my mind.

Still, its good to get other peoples views. As for comapring a sony Viao, the only thing id compare that to is a toaster, and id expect the toaster to win.

Ive been using Pc's and macs intermixed with work and home as i work in IT support, desktops, networks and servers and use photoshop a lot at home as my mum is a wedding photographer and im sorry to say, the PC laptops do the same as a mac for cheaper. I would not compare a cheap pc to a cheap mac as what is the point, you buy cheap you get cheap.

I build my own PC's at home for my own use, games and photoshop, my mate has a power notebook mac, no idea what type but she paid about $4000 for it last year and when up against a decent spec XPS, it isnt anything better. So for VFM the XPS wins. For looks, aye the mac looks nice, but as im working with it, i really dont care about the look, much, not when for half the price i can get a laptop that not only does the same job, faster but has a decent rep and comes from a company that looks after the hardware too.

Again, we could argue this all week and never agree, but its good to see people trying new systems and seeing that there is more than just mac V pc out there.

<ColiN> - still a PC tweak lover.
 
I think no matter what any PC owners say, no mac user is going to change their mind, just as no mac user is going to change my mind.

Still, its good to get other peoples views. As for comapring a sony Viao, the only thing id compare that to is a toaster, and id expect the toaster to win.

Ive been using Pc's and macs intermixed with work and home as i work in IT support, desktops, networks and servers and use photoshop a lot at home as my mum is a wedding photographer and im sorry to say, the PC laptops do the same as a mac for cheaper. I would not compare a cheap pc to a cheap mac as what is the point, you buy cheap you get cheap.

I build my own PC's at home for my own use, games and photoshop, my mate has a power notebook mac, no idea what type but she paid about $4000 for it last year and when up against a decent spec XPS, it isnt anything better. So for VFM the XPS wins. For looks, aye the mac looks nice, but as im working with it, i really dont care about the look, much, not when for half the price i can get a laptop that not only does the same job, faster but has a decent rep and comes from a company that looks after the hardware too.

Again, we could argue this all week and never agree, but its good to see people trying new systems and seeing that there is more than just mac V pc out there.

<ColiN> - still a PC tweak lover.

But isn't the XPS bigger and heavier?

IIRC I couldn't find a lighter 15.4" 2.4 laptop when I was searching for my MBP.
 
I think no matter what any PC owners say, no mac user is going to change their mind, just as no mac user is going to change my mind.

Still, its good to get other peoples views. As for comapring a sony Viao, the only thing id compare that to is a toaster, and id expect the toaster to win.

Ive been using Pc's and macs intermixed with work and home as i work in IT support, desktops, networks and servers and use photoshop a lot at home as my mum is a wedding photographer and im sorry to say, the PC laptops do the same as a mac for cheaper. I would not compare a cheap pc to a cheap mac as what is the point, you buy cheap you get cheap.

I build my own PC's at home for my own use, games and photoshop, my mate has a power notebook mac, no idea what type but she paid about $4000 for it last year and when up against a decent spec XPS, it isnt anything better. So for VFM the XPS wins. For looks, aye the mac looks nice, but as im working with it, i really dont care about the look, much, not when for half the price i can get a laptop that not only does the same job, faster but has a decent rep and comes from a company that looks after the hardware too.

Again, we could argue this all week and never agree, but its good to see people trying new systems and seeing that there is more than just mac V pc out there.

<ColiN> - still a PC tweak lover.

I changed my mind... in fact thats what 'switching' is all about..

I have to say, I used to love messing around with my windows machine - and I was pretty much the geeky kid, who (along with playing football) used to tinker 'til I could tinker no more.. Invariably this ended in some catastrophic failure - but again my bad so I didnt mind...

However, the time has come now where I like all my bits just to work without having to mess around with patches, and service packs and the like..

Mac os truly is a fantastic piece of software and there's no way I'd go back to using pc's exclusively...
 
However, the time has come now where I like all my bits just to work without having to mess around with patches, and service packs and the like..

I think this is one of the key points to switching. I too used to tinker and play, now all I want my computer to do is work and make my life easier. My MacBook (and all the previous macs I have owned) have done just that. I come home from a day working with computers and I do not want to tinker or faff. I simply want to do my accounts, edit my photos and so on.
 
Its definitely the big selling point....

I'm posting this on my Graphite G3 400 DV - which is 10 years old and still works perfectly... for pretty much anything I do..

I know my P2 350 wouldn't be working!
 
Ive heard a lot of good things about mac and would like to switch but the thing that puts me off is the price tag.... quite steep and the components arent very high spec either, is there some special trick going on that makes them really fast or something? I don't see how the price tag can be justified.
Buy Mac before you judge.

I was the same until I switched. My Macbook Pro is still singing happily after 1 year now.
 
Buy Mac before you judge.

I was the same until I switched. My Macbook Pro is still singing happily after 1 year now.

Definitely - but also get yourself down to your nearest Apple store or reseller..

The folks are dead helpful and let you play with them (the Macs!) for as long as you want....

They really are wonderful machines... :)
 
I've used both, but my exposure to Macs is fairly limited compared to many years of not only being a pc enthusiast/hardware/gaming geek etc ...but also working with Microsoft systems.

However, I prefer the pc to be perfectly honest. I do think as a general system to pickup and use OSX is nicer than Windows of any sort, I really do think it's a nice system. But, the real killer for me is that 'out of the box' approach with Macs, I love to fiddle, I love to take stuff apart ...I love having the lid off tweaking this and that, I actually 'like' playing with memory timings in the BIOS just to get to that next level of overclock, seriously, it is a hobby for me as with many here. And to coin a phrase used by someone else earlier in the thread "I like tweaking my Nvidia settings" :p

I feel like I have a level of freedom with a pc setup that I just don't with Macs, I feel restricted and quite ...tied into what Apple wants with a Mac setup. I like OSX ...and I think the Macbook Pro looks great ....but they do not satisfy my geeky side I'm afraid.

However, as a laptop, which are not particularly customisable anyway, I really can see the appeal of the Mac, not so much for a desktop though. My desktop is my hobby machine really, not so much my laptop, due to the nature of them.

Having said that, when I bought my HP 8710P laptop (a £1400 laptop) in January, I did look seriously at the Macbook pro, but I could not quite match the specs (as I wanted them) for the same cost, and the HP business machines are as well built as a Macbook Pro all in all I'd say, they just don't have the same ultra-modern 'Ikeaesque' looks (I like how the HP looks, but then I'm weird, I admit). The main killer in the deal for me was the graphics card, I could match everything else just fine. The HP has an Nvidia Quadro NVS 320, which in common terms, is basically an 8700GT, this is significantly faster than the 8600GT that the Macbook Pro comes with, at the time a top spec Macbook Pro had very similar specs to my HP, but had a less powerful graphics card, however, the price of the Mac at this point was getting rather too far away from the pc to be fair.

Also, I specifically wanted a 17" display with a 1680x1050 resolution. HP give you a choice ranging from 1440x900 at this size panel up to 1920x1200. Apple can match this exact panel size and resolution, great, that's good, but the Macbook Pro with that screen was coming in at over £1800, now £400 more than my HP and with a less powerful GPU, which really, really did matter to me, as I use this machine as a gaming machine when I'm away from home for up to 3 weeks at a time some times. It serves as my portable desktop replacement basically. The Mac couldn't quite come up with the goods, although it would have been so very, very close had the price not been so high.

Because the Macbook Pro can run Windows of course, if the Apple had been the same price as the HP machine, or preferably slightly cheaper with the lower powered GPU, I may have just gone for it anyway and accepted the slower 8600GT M GPU, but at £400 more expensive for less than I wanted, no way.

Sorry for rambling on, but without entering into silly generalisations one way or another, as an enthusiast and I suppose what people would term as a pretty extreme power user in many respects, this is why I don't use an Apple.

I could for a laptop though, I really could and I would, but the price was just too much for too little comparatively. I don't have any of the 'problems' I hear people mention with Windows, then again I know exactly what I'm doing to be fair, and how to configure it all properly and to tweak it etc, I'm also quite prepared to do that, it's a none-issue to me, part of pc ownership really, I have always done it and indeed expect to have to.

Appologies for rambling on for so long.
 
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