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sidimmu said:
From my knowledge of the medicinal market, its a right pain to get on and you have a yearly fee along with the doctors visits you need to go to to keep the prescription.
The product is not the best out there from what I know but the prices work out reasonable. Availability of the differing products is the challenge across all the providers, in other words - the good stuff sells out first.
Oh the legal market, how you remind me of the black market, but with financial stealth tax instead of percentage of received against requested.


I'd disagree on this, but hear me out = as unless you pay to go private and skip the nonsense. To get it through NHS, you have to go to try I think it is 3 types of meds for your ailment before they'll think about a recommendation to a GP for assessment and begin the actual process.
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you can see the quality of the product often listed including the percentage of the strength. at most private online places. nhs you wont get it.
 
Devilman said:
I guess that depends what metric you use to define "Better"?

It's certainly created jobs and increased tax revenue in some states.
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its earned them multiple billions in tax alone. we should do it but as said we earn that in medical side. which as said before we wont legalize it.
 
delta0 said:
I wondering more about society and people rather than corporate profits.
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Well, it created jobs which I think we can agree is generally good for society and people, irrespective of "corporate profits".

It also created increased tax revenue in some states (also generally good for society and people, irrespective of corporate profits).
 
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Devilman said:
I did not mention corporate profits.

I said it created jobs (generally good for society and people, not corporate profits).

I also said it created increased tax revenue in some states (also generally good for society and people, not corporate profits).
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Outside of money. That’s much more interesting.
 
delta0 said:
Outside of money. That’s much more interesting.
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*Sorry I edited my previous post I guess as you were replying*

Sadly money makes the world go round.

You can have all the good will and best intentions in the world, but if you have no income, you're broke and homeless.

Legalizing Weed has led to the growth of an entirely new industry - which has led to hundreds, probably thousands of entirely new jobs that did not exist before. Thus allowing hundreds, possibly thousands of people to not be "broke and homeless".

I would consider that quite a net positive.

Then we can look at the increased tax revenue, which (should) allow for more spending on public services etc.... which again should be quite a net positive.
 
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Devilman said:
*Sorry I edited my previous post I guess as you were replying*

Sadly money makes the world go round.

You can have all the good will and best intentions in the world, but if you have no income, you're broke and homeless.

Legalizing Weed has led to the growth of an entirely new industry - which has led to hundreds, probably thousands of entirely new jobs that did not exist before. Thus allowing hundreds, possibly thousands of people to not be "broke and homeless".

I would consider that quite a net positive.

Then we can look at the increased tax revenue, which (should) allow for more spending on public services etc.... which again should be quite a net positive.
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I think there’s a lot of health issues that need to be addressed. I see the US is trying to put more regulations in https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/06/congress-pots-ill-health-effects-00081178

There has been a huge increase in drug problems in the US too.

I don’t know a lot more than this so I was wondering if it would be a good or a bad thing for society if we suddenly legalised it. If everyone was smoking it what would be the good or bad things that would happen. Beyond money that is
 
delta0 said:
I think there’s a lot of health issues that need to be addressed. I see the US is trying to put more regulations in https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/06/congress-pots-ill-health-effects-00081178

There has been a huge increase in drug problems in the US too.

I don’t know a lot more than this so I was wondering if it would be a good or a bad thing for society if we suddenly legalised it. If everyone was smoking it what would be the good or bad things that would happen. Beyond money that is
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well my experience of several US states a couple months ago doesn't seem to show any overt signs of societal collapse due to weed legalization.

It's very much run like any other business.. In fact, far more strictly than many other businesses. ID required (even if you are clearly old enough), random lab testing of weed to try and ensure no nasty chemicals in the product people are buying etc..

Far safer than "make as much money as we can on the down-low" street weed. Hell I remember maybe 10yrs ago or so some Vietnamese crews were spraying weed with fine particulate glass to make it look more "frosty". :eek:

The increase in drug problem(s) in the US is much more centered around Meth and Fentanyl than weed. The US has a serious problem with opiod's.
 
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If you could buy legal edibles of a strictly controlled and known quality you have to imagine alcohol consumption would fall.

I'd see it as a net benefit.

Make it legal if licenced, risk reduce as much as possible and tax it reasonably.
 
Devilman said:
well my experience of several US states a couple months ago doesn't seem to show any overt signs of societal collapse due to weed legalization.

It's very much run like any other business.. In fact, far more strictly than many other businesses. ID required (even if you are clearly old enough), random lab testing of weed to try and ensure no nasty chemicals in the product people are buying etc..

Far safer than "make as much money as we can on the down-low" street weed. Hell I remember maybe 10yrs ago or so some Vietnamese crews were spraying weed with fine particulate glass to make it look more "frosty". :eek:

The increase in drug problem(s) in the US is much more centered around Meth and Fentanyl than weed. The US has a serious problem with opiod's.
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I have wondered if a general contribution to drug culture has happened. Some cultures like our own may not be so responsible with drug use. Look at what the Netherlands are doing to break down the drug tourism. There’s a strong safety argument but if people can’t be responsible then what’s the benefit. I would even put alcohol into this category but don’t want to confuse the conversation by trying to compare it with that.
 
delta0 said:
I have wondered if a general contribution to drug culture has happened. Some cultures like our own may not be so responsible with drug use. Look at what the Netherlands are doing to break down the drug tourism. There’s a strong safety argument but if people can’t be responsible then what’s the benefit. I would even put alcohol into this category but don’t want to confuse the conversation by trying to compare it with that.
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Just to add something to that, a lot of Spanish islands have banned cheap all inclusive '18-30' type holidays because they are sick and tired of drunk English puking up in the streets constantly, and fighting and raping each other all over the place.

If you want to ban something dangerous, statisticaly speaking, you should probably look at booze in the first instance.
 
For me personally i don't care what people want to do in their homes. But it should not allowed to be used in such a way that affects others. The stench is dreadful and i would absolutely welcome tougher punishment on it's use in public places and inconsiderate use in private places IE hot boxing your appt block. I had to speak with my manager not long after starting my job to apologise if i smelt like weed.(i know i likely didn't but i felt as though i reeked of it from the amount my neighbour was smoking) Fortunately a neighbour who has twin girls 1-2years of age emailed our estate agent who surprisingly acted promptly and he was gone before the next rent payment was made.
 
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