Make cannabis a Class A Drug, say Conservative Police Commissioners...

[uksoldierboy]

Not a fan of the stuff, tried it once when I was 15, didn't like it at all, that, alcohol or anything else really that alters how you conduct yourself I see no reason to take, if you can't have fun without it, I see it as a sign of weakness.
I will agree that smoking marijauna is the less aggressive socially, I don't think I've ever seen an aggressive person who's high.
But I detest all that think it's fine to operate vehicles while under the influence of said drugs/alcohol and have a no sympathy for them when caught or injured, only for the innocent people they inevitably hurt while doing so.
We've also seen more and more incidents in work with fires started because of drug misuse, due to a lack of mental awareness and ability to react.

I've have plenty of plenty ex forces mates that use CBD oils for pain relief though which seems to work, so I'm all for using it for that and if it's purely medical reasons.

Overall I see no alternative really other that to legalise it, at least then some control is gained and it can be taxed.

Also, it's such a disgusting smell, to think otherwise you need to be on drugs..

 

[Stretch]

I feel our group of concerned Conservative police commissioners should have their focus on the many more serious issues TBH. Ya know, the ones that require actual policing and have been ignored for decades.

Agreed. Even if they legalise the possession of drugs dosen't mean they can’t also continue to prevent the distribution of drugs.

The fact is they are utterly feckless, and know they haven’t a hope in hell of actually preventing drugs reaching consumers.

The witch hunt against drug users is nothing more than pandering to bigots and a distraction from their own failures, which are monumental.

 

[ChrisGTL]

Cannabis ain't what it used to be nor is the market. You can make lots of cash growing it with not much outlay. The market is saturated so sellers need an edge aka I have the strongest stuff going. Stronger = big problems with mental health.

Either class A it or control it.

 

[SpellowHouse]

I just don't get what evokes that sort of response. "Someone does something I don't personally like so therefore they're scum and must be shot "

I don't like drinking alcohol more than a couple of times a year. I'm not in a rush to put people who enjoy a drink into any gas chambers.

I think it comes down to scale of difference. The more some people disagree, the more violently they try to get their opinion across.

I feel our group of concerned Conservative police commissioners should have their focus on the many more serious issues TBH. Ya know, the ones that require actual policing and have been ignored for decades.

I confess that I am baffled as to how this has happened. I can only assume that it is a decade of the government running the services in to the ground. Unfortunately for the conservatives, they have been in power long enough to reap the disaster they sowed.

I am not really sure what should have been done fourteen years ago when things started to turn bad, but one thing is clear, the conservatives made everything a far worse.

 

[FoxEye]

Cannabis ain't what it used to be nor is the market. You can make lots of cash growing it with not much outlay. The market is saturated so sellers need an edge aka I have the strongest stuff going. Stronger = big problems with mental health.

Either class A it or control it.

That would make having different classes meaningless.

Look at what's actualy in Class A. Stuff that's highly addictive and will literally kill you. At the very least, can quickly do irreparable harm physically and mentally.

And Cannabis represents the same danger? I think not.

 

[randal]

A reasonable point to make but, I think we have far more pressing issues than the current classification of cannabis TBH. The Police, court system and jails can barely function administering the currents laws.

Absolutely. Can you imagine.

Boats like the Bibby Stockholm, full of Percy holding university graduate stoners who got caught with an eighth a couple of times.

Meanwhile thieves, burglars and violent crimes go unsolved because of the "lack of evidence".

 

[Felon]

That would make having different classes meaningless.

Look at what's actualy in Class A. Stuff that's highly addictive and will literally kill you. At the very least, can quickly do irreparable harm physically and mentally.

And Cannabis represents the same danger? I think not.

Yeah this is a good point,

Things like amphetamine can react very badly in some people, especially if they have existing conditions or they’re taking other medications at the same time.

Cannabis on the other hand…. I mean it’s probably about as harmful as alcohol, and I’d say less so if eaten or vaped.

 

[~>Dg<~]

everywhere around the planet is legalizing it while we in uk probably wont and its because the toffs own all the rights for medical cannabis which we are one of the top exporters of it in the world. this is why they dont need to legalize it. they make the money without the risk. anyone can go online its pretty simple and get prescribed cannabis products but the price is upto two to three times the street price. which is where they make there money and why it wont be legalized.

as for effects and harm. like anything over due it especially with stronger strains can cause long term effects or horrible short term effects. there is a lot of medicinal positive effects too. so its a balancing act. over all its still less worse than alcohol.

in what way does alcohol benefit you medically and then look at cannabis and what it can help with ? funny thing is many may not no this but we have built in receptors in our body for cannabis. it was meant for us. its on the planet for a reason.

 

[ChrisGTL]

That would make having different classes meaningless.

Look at what's actualy in Class A. Stuff that's highly addictive and will literally kill you. At the very least, can quickly do irreparable harm physically and mentally.

And Cannabis represents the same danger? I think not.

Cannabis will turn into tobacco, highly addictive and will cost the health service a fortune longer-term with endless mental health issues. I agree that anything can be thrown into Class A's making them very dangerous in an instant. Does killing yourself in an instant cost anything to the tax payer? Does hidden damage over a long period cost anything to the tax payer? I think so yes.

Alcohol is another subject completely - worse than everything else put together.

Given the choice, I'd have cannabis controlled. Strong enough to feel the effects and have a mind-altering good time, but not too strong to send you loopy.

 

[mid_gen]

That would make having different classes meaningless.

Look at what's actualy in Class A. Stuff that's highly addictive and will literally kill you. At the very least, can quickly do irreparable harm physically and mentally.

And Cannabis represents the same danger? I think not.

Classifications in the UK are utter nonsense. MDMA and Psilocybin being class A is ridiculous while the country is full of people killing themselves and crippling the health service with avoidable conditions from alcohol and nicotine. Putting weed in there as well would be a joke.

The government don't care about the science, see what happened to David Nutt when he told them the reality.

 

[~>Dg<~]

Cannabis will turn into tobacco, highly addictive and will cost the health service a fortune longer-term with endless mental health issues. I agree that anything can be thrown into Class A's making them very dangerous in an instant. Does killing yourself in an instant cost anything to the tax payer? Does hidden damage over a long period cost anything to the tax payer? I think so yes.

Alcohol is another subject completely - worse than everything else put together.

Given the choice, I'd have cannabis controlled. Strong enough to feel the effects and have a mind-altering good time, but not too strong to send you loopy.

cannabis look at the chemicals vs tobacco. far less dangerous chemicals in it the natural variety anyways. also its often long term use and heavy use which causes issues. far less than tobacco and alcohol. safer long term than both tobacco and alcohol. making it class a is just pure stupid.

 

[katy81]

cannabis look at the chemicals vs tobacco. far less dangerous chemicals in it the natural variety anyways. also its often long term use and heavy use which causes issues. far less than tobacco and alcohol. safer long term than both tobacco and alcohol. making it class a is just pure stupid.

Causes mental illness though

 

[~>Dg<~]

Causes mental illness though

often people think this more so it brings out peoples conditions they already have or worsens it. so people with mental illness not a good idea to have it in first place.

 

[katy81]

often people think this more so it brings out peoples conditions they already have or worsens it. so people with mental illness not a good idea to have it in first place.

Which is why it should be a class a

 

[arknor]

Causes mental illness though

only if you are predisposed to that anyway.

I'm sure many other available prescription drugs do to... cannabis in this country is a prescription drug

Medical cannabis (cannabis oil)

Information from the NHS website on medical cannabis.

www.nhs.uk

AFAIK it's a long process to get a prescription and can take 1-2 years.

I know someone who has a prescription for it and it's not for any of the reasons listed on the NHS website.

Which is why it should be a class a

But not alcohol I bet even though it destroys far more lives every day and causes massive problems in society and relationships.

no doubt causes mental illness to come forwards as well.

also it';s an actual physically addictive substance unlike cannabis

 

[~>Dg<~]

Which is why it should be a class a

no because its a very small minority of people that it would effect of the population and look at the other class A drugs. totally different.

 

[~>Dg<~]

only if you are predisposed to that anyway.

I'm sure many other available prescription drugs do to... cannabis in this country is a prescription drug

Medical cannabis (cannabis oil)

Information from the NHS website on medical cannabis.

www.nhs.uk

AFAIK it's a long process to get a prescription and can take 1-2 years.

I know someone who has a prescription for it and it's not for any of the reasons listed on the NHS website.




But not alcohol I bet even though it destroys far more lives every day and causes massive problems in society and relationships.

no doubt causes mental illness to come forwards as well.

also it';s an actual physically addictive substance unlike cannabis

its actually really easy to get a prescription. its private though. the NHS says it does it but you wont ever get it on that even though it says its been available for years.

how you actually go about it is...go to many of the online medical people for cannabis treatment. have a interview with a doctor often on your phone tablet online. then if you suffer from one of the many ailments it can treat they will recommend a dosage if you are okay to have it. obviously basic medical history and checks will be done. then you can choose from flower oil or other forms. for your treatment. the price though is expensive vs street prices. but once you got your prescription you can have it sent just like any prescription to your local chemist to pick up. you also have to have check ups to see how you doing. regular.

 

[arknor]

how you actually go about it is...go to many of the online medical people for cannabis treatment. have a interview with a doctor often on your phone tablet online. then if you suffer from one of the many ailments it can treat they will recommend a dosage if you are okay to have it. obviously basic medical history and checks will be done. then you can choose from flower oil or other forms. for your treatment. the price though is expensive vs street prices. but once you got your prescription you can have it sent just like any prescription to your local chemist to pick up. you also have to have check ups to see how you doing. regular.

You have a prescription?
I think I read the hardest part is getting transferred to your GPs care.
there was a term for it but I can't remember what it was.

basically like your prescription stops being issused by the private doctors and instead your local GP issues it.

The guy I know I think he gets 1-2 ounce a month, He's in scotland though maybe it's different there.

I could probably get a prescription if I wanted, but seems like a hell of a lot of hassle to actually get one

 

[sidimmu]

I could probably get a prescription if I wanted, but seems like a hell of a lot of hassle to actually get one

From my knowledge of the medicinal market, its a right pain to get on and you have a yearly fee along with the doctors visits you need to go to to keep the prescription.
The product is not the best out there from what I know but the prices work out reasonable. Availability of the differing products is the challenge across all the providers, in other words - the good stuff sells out first.
Oh the legal market, how you remind me of the black market, but with financial stealth tax instead of percentage of received against requested.

its actually really easy to get a prescription.

I'd disagree on this, but hear me out = as unless you pay to go private and skip the nonsense. To get it through NHS, you have to go to try I think it is 3 types of meds for your ailment before they'll think about a recommendation to a GP for assessment and begin the actual process.

 

[~>Dg<~]

You have a prescription?
I think I read the hardest part is getting transferred to your GPs care.
there was a term for it but I can't remember what it was.

basically like your prescription stops being issused by the private doctors and instead your local GP issues it.

The guy I know I think he gets 1-2 ounce a month, He's in scotland though maybe it's different there.

I could probably get a prescription if I wanted, but seems like a hell of a lot of hassle to actually get one

i dont looked into it. just go on the sites explains it. all. very simple. you basically as said before do a video call with a doctor. you need to have suffered with two of the issues they list to be able to get it. if they decide its the right medication for you. well its simple they charge you for each consultation. then you have x2 what it actually costs on the street. then you have to have repeat consultations. so yes it ends up being x2 to 3x the price of what it is on the street. you wouldnt get a prescription from the nhs. from a private yes pretty easy.