Malaysian Grand Prix 2013, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19

Haha, that was some funny poop! I enjoyed the toys out of the pram moment from Webber, Vettle being a doosh and Hamilton being ashamed.

Brilliant!
 
Awwww. Vettel has apologised to Webber for ignoring the team order. Well shucks, that makes it all better then.

I'm sure that will make Webber feel all warm and fluffy and there will be 4 way hugs between Vettel, Webber, Marko and Horner...

:rolleyes:
 
Defended hard for a few corners, but ultimately if he'd not slowed down because the team told him to, would Vettel have gotten that close?

What do you mean, they were hardly more than a few secs apart the whole race :confused:

And it was on lap 44 Vettel came out of the pits to be all over the back of Webber. He then pushed him for 2 laps and took him on lap 46.
 
Easiest way to get rid of, or at least seriously reduce team orders.

Remove the radio's in the cars. No way to communicate other than the pit board, and that's only one way.
They would just tell them before the race, or put it on a pit board?

I'd like to see Fingers apology, too little too late though, he had enough laps to think about what he'd done and let him back, he didn't, so that just says to me its a PR exercise now, and that he doesn't actually mean it.
 
Mercs decision was basicly an insult to both drivers and I can easily see them both being unhappy about it, RBR on the other hand are quickly becoming Douche Bag Racing again.

The money I would have paid to watch webber knock that prat out on the podium. glorious.
 
Easiest way to get rid of, or at least seriously reduce team orders.

Remove the radio's in the cars. No way to communicate other than the pit board, and that's only one way.

THe thing is, it is a team sport, and part of team strategy is often running slightly different strategys between drivers, which means a lot of luck in who is better and who is worse. If the team chose straws for Hamilton/Rosberg in who goes for rain strategy and who goes for dry, then is it fair that Hamilton gets screwed out of his position at the end, especially if he's the fastest/better driver. If they reversed the strategy Rosberg might have been 20 seconds behind Hamilton, thats luck more than anything, but ultimately its a team sport and how they start the race is down to team strategy, and personally I don't think its wrong thats how the race finishes.

Ultimately you had one good team mate who listened, and one who didn't. Webber really did push Vettel dangerously close to the wall.

Seeing some more highlights, Ferrari, lol, literally as he went down the straight before the pits I said, its not wobbling so its more attached, but too much speed and he'll probably end up with the wing underneath him, has to pit... then boom. Horrendous horrendous mistake.

AS for Button's pitstop, why Hamilton left, Mclaren fast-ish out of nowhere(realistically Alonso missing and the Lotus utter turd compared to last week), and they still managed to screw it. Who told the team to release the car because at no stage did the right front guy finish with his tyre. Fast is useless when quality of pitstops is SO much more important.

Di Resta, feel bad for him, genuine pace, looking really good and was tearing Sutil apart in comparison.
 
The arrogance started for me back when he said "get him out of the way" on the radio.

Why should he move out of the way, why should the team have to move him out of the way?

Just shows what an inflated ego he has that the team and Webber should bow down and obey whatever the precious finger wants.
 
What do you mean, they were hardly more than a few secs apart the whole race :confused:

And it was on lap 44 Vettel came out of the pits to be all over the back of Webber. He then pushed him for 2 laps and took him on lap 46.

Yes, Hamilton/Webber/Vettel were all over the back of each other all through the race and COULDN'T overtake each other, when Webber slowed his pace after being TOLD to slow down after the final pitstop Vettel gained that last second and overtook a car on a lower engine mode.

Its not about gaining 5 seconds, if Vettel had his engine turned down, he wouldn't have gotten as close down the straight, he followed Webber for a dozen plus laps with both cars on the same engine mode and Vettel never came close to overtaking him, he ONLY did this after Webber was told to turn his engine down as the race was over and Vettel was told the same, but simply didn't listen.
 
THe thing is, it is a team sport, and part of team strategy is often running slightly different strategys between drivers, which means a lot of luck in who is better and who is worse. If the team chose straws for Hamilton/Rosberg in who goes for rain strategy and who goes for dry, then is it fair that Hamilton gets screwed out of his position at the end, especially if he's the fastest/better driver. If they reversed the strategy Rosberg might have been 20 seconds behind Hamilton, thats luck more than anything, but ultimately its a team sport and how they start the race is down to team strategy, and personally I don't think its wrong thats how the race finishes.

the thing is its a sodding race, not a case of who can manage 90% race distance and then turn engines down and manage the tyres, its a joke and if this carries on f1 will die as a racing formula.
 
the thing is its a sodding race, not a case of who can manage 90% race distance and then turn engines down and manage the tyres, its a joke and if this carries on f1 will die as a racing formula.

People have been saying that for 40 years

I remember all the team orders back in the 80s with teams working tire strategy into things.

Nothing new here
 
Weird how these little inter team battle controversies come in pairs, that Turkey race had the red bulls crashing into one another and then the mclarens fighting tooth and nail when one backed off because he thought there were team orders!
 
the thing is its a sodding race, not a case of who can manage 90% race distance and then turn engines down and manage the tyres, its a joke and if this carries on f1 will die as a racing formula.

Ultimately I don't love it, if the tyres weren't so rubbish Vettel seemed to have the pace earlier, gained on Webber in the previous stint, I'd love to see the cars basically flat out for most of the race, the fastest they can go. Tyres makes everything a bit cack :(

I'm also not at all a fan of this bs fuel saving rubbish because teams so often call it wrong, Mclaren did it for Hamilton quite often.

I kinda want refueling back in F1 because, well, you fuel for a stint, if it rains and you go slow for 20 laps in the middle, you refuel less at the end. I'd like to see that issue taken out of F1 as it sucks, and personally I'm not a fan of "pitstop overtaking", meaning getting the tyres on faster won't really matter with refueling, and Di Resta would likely ahve finished the race if they weren't peeing around with stupid ass hubs trying to gain 2/10ths of a second in a pitstop.

Tyres that work, refueling so this "saving fuel" rubbish is gone, would make F1 SO much better.


Nico was great in that interview BUT, what drivers say is so often PR written that who knows if thats what he really felt, if so, much respect.
 
It all boils down to, if I ignored an order my boss gave me, whether I liked it or not, i'd be in trouble.

Finger has shown his arrogance today, and has lost a lot of respect in many peoples eyes.
 
first question.

vettel why didnt you obey team orders?

That's easy. Vettel believes he's indispensable, and frankly, he IS indispensable to RedBull. Lol, what would RB do, sack him? Not a chance in hell. Seb is boss for as long as he's driving well. He's already 3 times world champion, he's got nothing to lose. He's a racing driver, his racing instinct took over, plus he's young and enthusiastic. What he did wasn't right and he apologised in a press conference, but that apology is just to keep people happy, he doesn't really care because he was top of the podium.
 
Rosberg would have mullererd Hamilton. Awful cold sportsmanship from mercedes. What a horrid little team.
 
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