Malaysian Grand Prix 2014, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/19

[Twirlywoos]

massa should get a fine from the team for ignoring orders. Poor Botas

 

[JRS]

Yet you felt compelled to come here and whinge. Personally, I thought it was a very entertaining race, but I'm an F1 fan, something which you clearly are not.

Oh, absolutely. Let's all sing the praises of modern F1, which cannot be improved in any way whatsoever.

Or.....you know, maybe let's not.

Positives for the race:

• the power/grip ratio was good, cars twitching and wiggling with the throttle pedal
• Hamilton didn't break his car, or complain incessantly over the radio. He just got on with a very mature and composed performance. Welcome back, Lewis Hamilton. What a shame that you've been MIA for a few years....
• Massa got a message saying that someone was faster than him, and ignored it. I fully expect him to be vilified by the usual suspects, but sod you all
• No points for LOLtus-Genii-Renault-whatever again. Happy days!
• A special word if I may for The Sushi Chef's Son From Amagasaki, the ever-wonderful Kamui Kobayashi. He drove a blinder in a car that isn't exactly brilliant. One of the few bits I caught on TV was Kamui fighting for 12th place against someone, on tyres that were far more worn. Much as I'd love to see Caterham do well, that car is a criminal waste of his talent.

 

[Sliver]

What are you blithering on about JRS ? I fail to see what point/s you were trying to make. Sport is a subjective form of entertainment. Some love it, some hate it, some are indifferent. Smart people learn to accept that in the end their own opinion is just one of many.

 

[JRS]

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Tell you what Sliver - I'll take you through those points step-by-step.

Oh, absolutely. Let's all sing the praises of modern F1, which cannot be improved in any way whatsoever.

Or.....you know, maybe let's not.

Now, I thought I'd used English here but apparently you thought otherwise. What we have here is something called "sarcasm", it involves me saying one thing in a manner that should leave the reader in no doubt that I mean something entirely different. And I can understand your confusion, it's a difficult concept after all and especially so in text form.

Positives for the race:

To be fair, I definitely can understand your confusion here. "JRS, saying something positive about current F1? What's the trick?!" No trick, I'm glad to say. I honestly took several positive things out of the race today.

the power/grip ratio was good, cars twitching and wiggling with the throttle pedal

Here we find me reverting to type, I'm afraid. I like to see cars move around a little, the last few years of aero-dominated F1 have seen the cars look like overgrown Scalextrix.

Hamilton didn't break his car, or complain incessantly over the radio. He just got on with a very mature and composed performance. Welcome back, Lewis Hamilton. What a shame that you've been MIA for a few years....

This was me expressing my gratitude that Lewis Hamilton drove like....well, Lewis Hamilton at his best.

Massa got a message saying that someone was faster than him, and ignored it. I fully expect him to be vilified by the usual suspects, but sod you all

This was also me reverting to type, and hanging a lampshade on how much of a downer this forum seems to take on virtually everything Massa does.

No points for LOLtus-Genii-Renault-whatever again. Happy days!

I don't like this team. Figured that should be utterly obvious, but apparently you need me to clarify. I. Don't. Like. LOLtus-Genii-Renault-whatever.

Got it?

A special word if I may for The Sushi Chef's Son From Amagasaki, the ever-wonderful Kamui Kobayashi. He drove a blinder in a car that isn't exactly brilliant. One of the few bits I caught on TV was Kamui fighting for 12th place against someone, on tyres that were far more worn. Much as I'd love to see Caterham do well, that car is a criminal waste of his talent.

I have a man-crush on Kamui Kobayashi.




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If you need any more explanation Sliver, just let me know.

 

[LizardKing]

Williams were interesting, i didn't catch it towards the end but they were stupidly lean on the fuel comparatively, lets hope they can make better use of that ballast in the races to come!

Hamilton didnt put a foot wrong, that Merc has some serious pace about it, ( i wonder where Brawn is in all this as he must be feeling left out of the glory!) though i dont think it will be long before that RB is on its tail. Lets hope RB get there act together and let Ricciardo take the fight to Vettel as so far he has shown little of what the history books will tell.

On a side note, Red Bull are building a huge extension to there facility's i wonder if Sparky could shed some light on what that's about!

 

[sunama]

massa should get a fine from the team for ignoring orders. Poor Botas

Are you serious or joking?

 

[The_Abyss]

Taken in the context of Melbourne, I quite enjoyed the race today. Mercedes clearly have a huge advantage over the remainder of the field, but I'm hopeful that this won't last long. I'd love to think that Button and McLaren will be catching them but it is unlikely. However, the pace at which Red Bull have developed their car since testing, combined with the fact that it just seems aerodynamically superior, gives me hope that this could be a classic season with at least two teams slugging it out as times goes on. I think Barcelona could be the key (I would say that, as I'm going to the race!) but that's when the next set of real developments will be installed on the cars.

I say at least two teams, as Ferrari look half-decent, but I'm not sure I have the confidence that they can out-develop the others enough.

F1 has never been about 10 or more teams racing for first place, and that's why I enjoyed the race today. Sterling job and tactics by Hulkenberg and Force India - how they must rue Perez's car DNS. McLaren were shown to have been outperformers in Melbourne, so clearly a lot of work still to do, but still a steady drive by Button. Williams were disappointing though, despite Bottas' spirited drive back through the field. What is going on with their mapping so use so little fuel relative to the rest?!

The sound of the new power units is growing on me but, alas, the noise is not. I really love the way these cars drive, but I know, having heard them at Jerez, I'm going to need more volume trackside once Barcelona comes around.

 

[DoneADougalOnSofa]

massa should get a fine from the team for ignoring orders. Poor Botas

Not yet. Second race in is far too early for team orders.
Bottas couldn't get past him, Massa was justified IMHO.
Let the guys race- as long as they don't take each other off!
When it comes down to the decisive bit of the season, then do your team orders.

 

[DoneADougalOnSofa]

And I agree with The Abyss above- this was a pretty good race.
I even found myself quite enjoying the turbo whine at one point too...

This new season and concept has the potential to be very good. We have some great new drivers, and teams seem to be getting on top of the issues slowly but surely.

Can't wait for the PC version... C'mon Codemasters!

 

[413x]

I only watched bits Tbh

It didn't really grab my excitement
Although I said I wouldn't go to a race any more the sound doesn't bother me at home really

I don't think the season really has me grabbed and I didn't think it would.
Instead of scheduling things around f1 it will now be the other way round

I may watch some of the late evening /early morning races but I certainly will not be missing out on any sunny days now

A few things have added up and it's not the things most hate. It's a shame when the excitement goes.

I think people will adapt to the sound. Dunno about at the actual races. Will fans leave?
Will it drive the the prices down resulting in loss of non subsidised tracks? I don't think it will get that far.. But who knows!

I think it will be a merc romp unless RBR can take it to them.
Ferrari.. I do wonder if they will ever be up there again!

Also.. Apart from Ferrari, RBR and Caterham.. Almost all the cars look same.
Especially merc, mclaren, marussia, sauber
I mean they look bad livery wise

 

[Skeeter]

On a side note, Red Bull are building a huge extension to there facility's i wonder if Sparky could shed some light on what that's about!

The simply don't have enough space. There's a lot more going on in the factory now than when it was built for Stewart GP. You have to squeeze past machines to get to other machines. They have 2 buildings joined by basically a corridor, the extension is joining the 2 buildings together.

Plus, the trophy cabinet is full .

 

[dannyjo22]

Are you serious or joking?

I can see both sides, if they let him past meaning he would have made up a couple more places then Massa should have let him past. If then Bottas couldn't make up the places they should then let Massa have the place back.

I imagine Williams could fine him if it's in his contract to obey team orders. No one likes team orders but it's a team sport and Williams are a team desperate to get as many points as they can. If he cannot obey the teams call then he should find someone else to drive for.

If it was a move t simply get Bottas ahead of him 1 place then I agree he should just stay where he is.

 

[englishpremier]

Yet you felt compelled to come here and whinge. Personally, I thought it was a very entertaining race, but I'm an F1 fan, something which you clearly are not.

I haven't found the first two F1 races that thrilling really. Strip away the excitement/anticipation that comes from the new rules and races have been distinctly average.

There was real fight for any of the podium positions, though the racing was better a bit further down the grip. DRS hasn't really worked well at either of the races this year either. Don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing though.

 

[LizardKing]

The simply don't have enough space. There's a lot more going on in the factory now than when it was built for Stewart GP. You have to squeeze past machines to get to other machines. They have 2 buildings joined by basically a corridor, the extension is joining the 2 buildings together.

Plus, the trophy cabinet is full .

or to house Seb's ego

Its a bit weird really, sorta just tacked onto the side without extending to the full lengths of the building.

 

[Guerrilla]

I find it quite strange to read the split in opinions at the moment...

Personally I have enjoyed the last 2 races, certainly a lot more than a lot of the races of previous seasons.

It's still an exciting time, it's going to be interesting to see how the development goes from here and to see how much/how fast the teams can get to grips with what they are learning and also see how these cars cope with different tracks and environments.

Seems some people have already written off the entire thing and it has just started

 

[Crippled Potato]

I find it quite strange to read the split in opinions at the moment...

Personally I have enjoyed the last 2 races, certainly a lot more than a lot of the races of previous seasons.

It's still an exciting time, it's going to be interesting to see how the development goes from here and to see how much/how fast the teams can get to grips with what they are learning and also see how these cars cope with different tracks and environments.

Seems some people have already written off the entire thing and it has just started

I agree, I always compare the racing to last years. This year at Malaysia was dominated by the Mercs and there wasn't much racing at the front but there was some great mid-field racing. Just watched last years race highlights and it was much more of a borefest apart from the multi-21 incident, i don't understand either why people are writing this year off already.

 

[smr]

Autosport Rating:

22 JENSON BUTTON
McLaren-Mercedes MP4-29

Start: 10th
Finish: 6th
Strategy: 3 stops (medium/medium/medium/hard)

Rating: 9

Button rolled the dice in Q3 by going out on intermediates when everyone else, save team-mate Magnussen who then came in to switch, was on wets.

While perhaps a mistake to stick with it, this was an understandable gamble given McLaren's struggles.

Drove a wonderful race, jumping Massa then Magnussen early on and ensuring he was quick in the right places, namely out of the slow final two corners where the McLaren was strong and around the pitstops, to keep Massa at bay.


At least Autosport agree with me

 

[Syla5]

On a side note, Red Bull are building a huge extension to there facility's i wonder if Sparky could shed some light on what that's about!

Potentially looking to move the race bays to the main factory as they are currently situated in a building over the road.

 

[thecremeegg]

I find it quite strange to read the split in opinions at the moment...

Personally I have enjoyed the last 2 races, certainly a lot more than a lot of the races of previous seasons.

It's still an exciting time, it's going to be interesting to see how the development goes from here and to see how much/how fast the teams can get to grips with what they are learning and also see how these cars cope with different tracks and environments.

Seems some people have already written off the entire thing and it has just started

I think its because deep down everyone knows that the sport is in a decline that isn't being helped by more and more silly rules and regulations. Compare races nowadays with a race from 30 years ago - I know which a lot of people would prefer to watch.
I sound like a broken record I know as I keep saying this but it's what I think and I'm just a bit saddened that F1 is a complete joke now

 

[robbiemc]

Compare races nowadays with a race from 30 years ago - I know which a lot of people would prefer to watch.
I sound like a broken record I know as I keep saying this but it's what I think and I'm just a bit saddened that F1 is a complete joke now

Interesting you should mention that as Sky are now showing old F1 'Season Reviews' which are fascinating to watch.

Last week they showed the 1971 season review in which Jackie Stewart won the championship by twice the points of runner-up Ronnie Peterson, and during which he was winning races with 25-30 seconds in hand.

Sound familiar?

I will concede that the engines sounded superb, and the addition of the (short lived) 4-wheel drive gas-turbine car made it quite interesting.