Poll: Malaysian Grand Prix 2016, Kuala Lumpur - Race 16/21

[Kelt]

If I heard it right, C4 commented that Mercedes swapped Rosberg's engineers over to Hamilton and vice versa.

Seems well dodgy to me.

 

[timmeh]

Oh get back in your box. Lewis has had three engine failures which have then been componded by the need to start from the back at Spa because of engine usage limits. Rosberg's had none of this.

This championship will be decided by engine failures and ensuing penalties.

How many races has Rosberg won because of a reliability issue for Hamilton (Hamilton having a qualifying issue and starting down the grid or Hamilton retiring from the lead) and how many has he won because he was faster? And the same for Hamilton?

While Hamilton has had a lot of issues this season, I think Rosberg has upped his game somewhat.

 

[dannyjo22]

You do realise a large percentage of the championships ever, up until the late 90s, were decided in part by reliability.
I have seen people moaning about how reliable cars have become, and now people are complaining that they are too unreliable

Exactly it's always been that way. As I say it's only been a huge issue because it's hamilton and the british press. Or sky whipping up a frenzy because the racing is so crap, in cars a 12 year old can drive.T his is the only way they can make interest.

Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton, JV, Senna, Mansell, probably even Massa have all lost or won titles on reliabilty. It's nothing new, but since Hamilton has been gifted the biggest **** end as a team mate this has people frothing at the mouth and doing the maths constantly on how unfair it is. It's never fair. Hell previously they froze engine development so no one had a cat in hells chance of catching up. So what if Rosbergs wins the title this year, it's not like anyone is going to start thinking he's better than bang average.

The only good thing about him is he hasn't lost his belief in himself despite the world seeing it differently. Where as other bang to rights no2's like Webber, Massa, Irvine and DC just gave up.

If I heard it right, C4 commented that Mercedes swapped Rosberg's engineers over to Hamilton and vice versa.

Seems well dodgy to me.

And what do you think is dodgy about it? Unfair on Rosberg as he had the better crew before?

 

[Mark365]

Lewis suffered engine failures in two of the events Nico won



Only because of Lewis' engine failures, without them he'd be behind.



So engine reliability makes him a better driver?

I can't decide if you're just trolling or if you actually believe this rubbish you're spouting

Once again its not Nico's fault that Lewis suffers reliability issues. Nico is doing his own thing and bagging the points. If Nico suffers reliability issues then Lewis will bag the points. Lets not forget that Lewis has more fresh power units at his deposal and if this championship goes down to the wire, Lewis will have the fresher engine. Lets say if Nico's power unit blows during that final race and Lewis takes the championship, does that mean reliability makes Lewis a better driver?

 

[jonneymendoza]

Once again its not Nico's fault that Lewis suffers reliability issues. Nico is doing his own thing and bagging the points. If Nico suffers reliability issues then Lewis will bag the points. Lets not forget that Lewis has more fresh power units at his deposal and if this championship goes down to the wire, Lewis will have the fresher engine. Lets say if Nico's power unit blows during that final race and Lewis takes the championship, does that mean reliability makes Lewis a better driver?

Listen. Hamilton has had lots of engine problems while roseberg hasn't and that means he is 23 points ahead mainly because of that. Nothing else

 

[FrankJH]

Only because of Lewis' engine failures, without them he'd be behind.

I think its pretty clear that what Merc did to benefit Lewis (in lining up fresh parts for the rest of the year) was a clear breach of the SPIRIT of the rules by how quickly the FIA changed them for next year.

This alone means he should start from the back for the remaining races where he uses one of those new parts (if he then uses the same parts for a 2nd race then stay where he qualifies by all means).

Thats much more of a benefit for Lewis than Nico's ever had.

 

[jonneymendoza]

I think its pretty clear that what Merc did to benefit Lewis (in lining up fresh parts for the rest of the year) was a clear breach of the SPIRIT of the rules by how quickly the FIA changed them for next year.

This alone means he should start from the back for the remaining races where he uses one of those new parts (if he then uses the same parts for a 2nd race then stay where he qualifies by all means).

Thats much more of a benefit for Lewis than Nico's ever had.

Are you having a laugh.?

 

[Mr Jack]

It's nothing new, but since Hamilton has been gifted the biggest **** end as a team mate this has people frothing at the mouth and doing the maths constantly on how unfair it is. It's never fair. Hell previously they froze engine development so no one had a cat in hells chance of catching up.

The difference between this season and others is the depth of Mercedes advantage. Without any other team to challenge and take points away, Rosberg has continually netted good points even when Hamilton has had him well beaten. On the other hand, it's only this that has allowed Hamilton to take so much out of his bad races so maybe it balances out overall.

I don't particularly get the extreme Rosberg hate. He's not behaved much worse than many drivers, and he's hardly useless. There's plenty of worse drivers than Rosberg on the grid.

So what if Rosbergs wins the title this year, it's not like anyone is going to start thinking he's better than bang average.

Quite so.

 

[LzR]

Again if that bothers you F1 isn't the sport for you. I will use my favourite drivers over the years so not to look like hating others.

Mansell won the title because fortunately for him Senna was in a pile of cack.
Jacques won the title because MS's ferrari wasn't anywhere near as good at the start of the year.
Button won the title because his team mate was **** and Alonso, Hamilton and any number of other drivers were in poor cars.
Hamilton won the title because Alonso cannot make good career calls.
Vettel won the title because Webber wasn't allowed too and Alonso had to put up with much worse reliability.

How often does the considered best win in the best car? Drivers win and lose titles all the time due to reliability, the driver is the smallest part of the laptime. Only ever do you get this bleating about how unfair it all is when it's hamilton.

He's winning titles again because his team mate is crap and frankly there are no challengers. Yes it's not going all his way but does he not have enough advantages already? Every year his fans write him off and every year you are proved wrong. It was all over earlier in the year with about 15 to run according to his fans on here. The whole nature of F1 isn't fair. Nothing in it has ever been equal.

By the length of your reply to my somewhat brief comment, it appears you're more 'bothered' than I am, and what do you mean 'again'?

Am I bleating? I don't think so.

Hang on, his fans wrote him off and now I'm proved wrong? Say what?

I think you've either confused me with someone else or you're just taking out your dislike for Hamilton fans out on me, or something.

 

[LzR]

Once again its not Nico's fault that Lewis suffers reliability issues. Nico is doing his own thing and bagging the points. If Nico suffers reliability issues then Lewis will bag the points. Lets not forget that Lewis has more fresh power units at his deposal and if this championship goes down to the wire, Lewis will have the fresher engine. Lets say if Nico's power unit blows during that final race and Lewis takes the championship, does that mean reliability makes Lewis a better driver?

Nobody said it was Rosberg's fault that Hamilton suffers from reliability issues.

Yes Rosberg is doing his own thing, when he's not running people off the track (literally) he's bagging the points fair and square, but it's those shady dirty moves he pulls that people dislike so much.

You're right, reliability issues don't make Hamilton the better driver, he does, because he is better, and that's a fact which is backed up by his WDC's.

Just because many here want Hamilton to win, doesn't mean they are all 'fans' by default, perhaps like me they simply don't like Rosberg and Hamilton is the only one who can realistically stop him from winning the WDC.

 

[LzR]

I think the real question here is why is it only Hamilton who breaks the engines.
Other 7 drivers manage just fine.

Really do have to wonder, as Hamilton certainly does seem to be the fastest Mercedes driver across the Mercedes teams. If his engines are the only ones giving way, is there something in his driving style which is overstressing components without being clear on telemetry.

Telemetry tells all, it would be blatantly obvious if Hamiltons driving style was at fault.

 

[LzR]

Scored the race a 5 out of 10. Much more of an exciting event this time. I thought Nico's recovery drive from last to third was absolutely incredible.

He did well, there's no doubting that, and I agree that his driving this season has improved but... He's driving a Merc, on this track? C'mon, incredible is a bit overboard

 

[bayo000]

Listen. Hamilton has had lots of engine problems while roseberg hasn't and that means he is 23 points ahead mainly because of that. Nothing else

Listen. Hamilton basically has 3 more engines for this year with only taking penalty in one race and still is 23 points behind. And he was gifted race win in a race that Rosberg was unlucky...

Rosberg is leading because he's driving consistently and doesn't get involved in first corner crashes as much.

** Don't bait **

 

[CaptainRAVE]

Never has there been such an unworthy points leader. This many failures for one car...what toto should be doing is getting rid of the engineering team.

So far Hamilton has had -
• Australia, Clutch issues
• Bahrain, Clutch issues
• China Gear Box change
• Russia ERS failure
• Baku engine mode issue ( team not too helpful in the assist unlike Rosberg)
• Engine penalties in Monaco
• Spa penalties for using 6th turbo charge related to MG unit
• Singapore Hydraulics during practice. bad set up of car for race
• Malaysia engine power pack failure

Hamilton is doing pretty well considering! Hard to see him winning with this run of bad luck.

 

[Mark365]

Never has there been such an unworthy points leader. This many failures for one car...what toto should be doing is getting rid of the engineering team.

So far Hamilton has had -
• Australia, Clutch issues
• Bahrain, Clutch issues
• China Gear Box change
• Russia ERS failure
• Baku engine mode issue ( team not too helpful in the assist unlike Rosberg)
• Engine penalties in Monaco
• Spa penalties for using 6th turbo charge related to MG unit
• Singapore Hydraulics during practice. bad set up of car for race
• Malaysia engine power pack failure

Hamilton is doing pretty well considering! Hard to see him winning with this run of bad luck.

That is a powerful list of bad luck. I wouldn't be sitting beside that fella on a plane!! How does one driver have so much bad luck? Is his driving style effecting the reliability?

 

[IPBA]

Listen. Hamilton basically has 3 more engines for this year with only taking penalty in one race and still is 23 points behind. And he was gifted race win in a race that Rosberg was unlucky...

Rosberg is leading because he's driving consistently and doesn't get involved in first corner crashes as much.

** Don't bait **

Wrong. Lewis had three power plants one of which went bang yesterday so he now has two. Of the two one has done three GPs and the other is fresh and unused. So he is in the same position as Nico whose engine is on its fourth GP and he still has one fresh power unit left (which may end up being the upgrade Merc were hoping to introduce later in the year).

Can you point out which race Lewis was gifted due to Nico's bad luck?

Lolberg is fast and has bagged the points and as much as it annoys me if he is WDC I will applaud him. But the guy has zero wheel to wheel racing ability. He crashes into Lewis in Austria then pulls the same move on Max in Germany. And on Sunday he rammed Kimi. I am all for hard racing but it must be clean.

 

[bayo000]

Can point out which race Lewis was gifted due to Nico's bad luck?

Monaco. And I didn't say it was due to Nico's bad luck, just that he was unlucky in that race. At least from what I remember as I missed that race.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Monaco. And I didn't say it was due to Nico's bad luck, just that he was unlucky in that race. At least from what I remember as I missed that race.

Hamilton got screwed in qualifying, he had a major car issue at the start of Q3, had to be rolled back to the garage, missed his first run. The real issue was the team sent him out too early for the last run so his first attempt at a hot lap ran into traffic and he had a seriously compromised run. Without it, it was very likely he'd have been ahead of Rosberg and quite possibly Ricciardo from the start.

However Rosberg wasn't unlucky, he was just flat out slow throughout the race in all conditions.

 

[drunkenmaster]

That is a powerful list of bad luck. I wouldn't be sitting beside that fella on a plane!! How does one driver have so much bad luck? Is his driving style effecting the reliability?

Also missing Bottas dive bombing him at Bahrain, had to recover back from 9th and had damage to the car slowing him down. Rosberg drove him off the track in Spain, had he not Hamilton was drastically faster and had the inside for the next turn. Oh, and he had engine failures in qualifying that led to 3 times qualifying 10th or below(and I think starting further back due to making changes in parc perme in one or two of those, from the back definitely once).

Monaco during qualifying as above he had a major issue in Q3 and the one run he could have was completely screwed by the timing of it.

As for bayo000 saying he flat out has 3 extra engines, he doesn't. He had 2 less engines(maybe three) than Rosberg due to failures earlier in the year, Spa rectified that and gave him one 'extra' engine, though shouldn't have been more than either he or Rosberg needed. the one extra was a safety margin because why not, and currently with another engine blown, Ham and Rosberg have the same number of engines left for the year.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

That is a powerful list of bad luck. I wouldn't be sitting beside that fella on a plane!! How does one driver have so much bad luck? Is his driving style effecting the reliability?

Surely with all the telemetry they would know if it was his driving style? Plus I honestly don't know how you would break most of those parts?

Hamilton got screwed in qualifying, he had a major car issue at the start of Q3, had to be rolled back to the garage, missed his first run. The real issue was the team sent him out too early for the last run so his first attempt at a hot lap ran into traffic and he had a seriously compromised run. Without it, it was very likely he'd have been ahead of Rosberg and quite possibly Ricciardo from the start.

However Rosberg wasn't unlucky, he was just flat out slow throughout the race in all conditions.

It wasn't the only time he was really slow in changing conditions either iirc? Maybe this is what Hamilton needs in a few of the remaining races.

Good to see the mods stopping the obvious baiting.