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so, inform us? where are you looking that we aren't?
as i say, i'm all for evidence, facts, TRUTH - so, go ahead...
Man jailed for urinating on a woman who lay dying in a street
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so, inform us? where are you looking that we aren't?
as i say, i'm all for evidence, facts, TRUTH - so, go ahead...
Right. We've settle that then, throw out the records.. crime's on the increase.
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You have to understand how the system works, perhaps work for the criminal justice system.
People are in prison for various crimes where there will invariably be a victim. Take armed robbers for example. At some point they may have pointed a gun at someone to obtain money but they will not had urinated on a dying woman or likely stood by and watched while someone did. That is not to say that I condone armed robbery but the armed robber and the person who urinates on a dying woman do not mix, do not get on and the latter will be the target of wrath for certain types of criminal.
Put this man on the main wing and he will likely be at death's door within 24 hours.
Such crimes as urinating on a defenceless and dying woman provoke almost primeval rage in most decent folk and even the criminal fraternity and while inside, such criminals may have the opportunity to dispense what they perceive to be justice. ie beat him to within an inch of his life.
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i accept that is regular society, where we presume 'decent folk' reside - this would be the case.
but criminals are in prison for a reason, for every 'minor' criminal, there will be a 'major' one surely? (i am aware we don't just lock up thieves, petty criminals and car jackers)
for each clear thinking, 'sane' ( i use the term loosely) individual, there will those who have carried out these horrific crimes, and what makes you think the balance will be over 50:50, with the 'better guys' coming out on top?
more than this - why do we, as a society think that this ultimately perverted form of 'justice' is acceptable?
Read Wasting Police Time by PC David Copperfield, or just do a search for his blog. Alternatively, believe everything you are told by the government, there's a good drone.
I suppose Hutton wasn't a whitewash, there were really WMD in Iraq, the pensions were safe and that they wouldn't sign a Euro constitution without a referendum? After all, we should always trust the government.
I suppose Hutton wasn't a whitewash, there were really WMD in Iraq, the pensions were safe and that they wouldn't sign a Euro constitution without a referendum? After all, we should always trust the government.
Whilst I don't know myself for sure, but I'd have to agree with Von.
You could argue that whilst a robbery may be against the law, there may be a decent reason for trying to do so... paying off debts, trying to turn your life around etc.
Again, I'm not condoning armed robbery but it I would hazard a guess that any armed robbers doing time in prison would feel exactly the same way as most people would and that an act this disgusting deserves no merit and can have no justification.
You could argue that whilst a robbery may be against the law, there may be a decent reason for trying to do so... paying off debts, trying to turn your life around etc.
Again, I'm not condoning armed robbery but it I would hazard a guess that any armed robbers doing time in prison would feel exactly the same way as most people would and that an act this disgusting deserves no merit and can have no justification.
Read the Home Office statistics, or read articles on the saturation of media influence and its effects on society and society's perception of the world through the lense of the media. Alternatively, believe everything you are told by David Copperfield, there's a good drone.
Well he is right about Home Office figures being fudged:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/criminaljustice/story/0,,996551,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1865158,00.html
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,,1991289,00.html
http://www.res.org.uk/society/mediabriefings/pdfs/2002/february/macdonald1.pdf
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/09/10/do1002.xml
The recent government is well known for fudging their figures to make it look like their policies are working. much like the previous government did with employment figures by shoving people onto benefits other than unemployment benefit just to get them off the "official statistics".
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Read Wasting Police Time by PC David Copperfield, or just do a search for his blog. Alternatively, believe everything you are told by the government, there's a good drone.
I suppose Hutton wasn't a whitewash, there were really WMD in Iraq, the pensions were safe and that they wouldn't sign a Euro constitution without a referendum? After all, we should always trust the government.
oh, a 'story', well received for it's dry wit and humorous look at crime in todays society? (reading his blog is a disciplinary offense in many uk police forces...)
I am not saying the government have all the answers, i am not saying i believe every report i read, but i am saying that raw data and statistics cannot be ignored.
You can educate me on what I do not know (I would be grateful for this, I am open minded and willing to learn), but you should not try and make me out to be a fool because I do not believe the scare mongering about 'todays society'
but do you honestly believe that things are any 'worse' now than they ever have been at any time in the past?
(lets ignore unemployment, as that would be derailing the thread - although, i would rather be on benefits than in a 'work house')
do you believe that crime wasn't as serious in the past, or that it wasn't as frequent?
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I can only speak for myself and I can never officially condone this form of ' justice '. Those that know me may get my drift.
Truth be told though I won't lose any sleep over it either.
Certain criminals don't mix and revengeful people in society deem such punishment a success where the regular system has been deemed to be a failure ie abolishment of corporal punishment etc. Thats my take on it anyway.
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Yes, I read his posts (I do know so). Maybe you should do the same. He said it was funny and then spent about 3 pages worth of thread defending his decision.
He might be your boyfriend, I can't remember, nor do I care. I also fully understand the point he was putting across.
I did not slur his name, merely pointed out that he found this funny. He slurred his own name as far as I can see it. Maybe if he had a better sense of humour then you wouldn't have to jump to his defense. I'm also sure that he can defend himself in theads, (I thank you for your effort), but he has no doubt been duly notified of the thread and I look forward to his entry with great anticipation.
*Looks out the window and sees a peaceful scene, some ducks, a couple of fireworks and concludes that there is zero crime.*
For the record, I respect Von's view on such matters far more than most.
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I go by what my parents and grandparents tell me. Society today has significantly degraded from what it was like 50years ago. Just things like yobbish behaviour, vandalism and minor theft are far more frequent these days than they've ever really been.
The jails are overflowing with criminals, more so than ever before, better clean up rate, longer sentences, or just more crime being committed?
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I cannot remember the last time I witnessed somebody comitting a crime other than motoring offences.
Does this mean I 'open my eyes and look at the world around me' and can now claim there is no crime in the UK?
Of course not. Same point - your local area is perhaps not reflective of the UK as a whole.
What people tell you is affected by normal human emotions. One of these is nostalgia. We all do it, it's a natural tendancy, but the past is looked at more favourably than the present. We subconciously erase many unhappy memories but retain a disproportionate amount of happy ones.
Most people in the street today will tell you how terrible terrorism is these days.
Despite the fact, for example, that there has been less terrorist attacks on this country in the last 10 years than the 10 years before that.
There's nothing sentimental about my grandparents memories I can assure you of that. They had a hard life as was my parents upbringing, but one of the few things they say was positive was lower crime levels. People had respect for each other and their property back then, even though a lot of people were struggling to make a living they didn't resort to criminality.[TW]Fox;10358110 said:
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prisons are overflowing because our population is growing rapidly (more so than ever before) and yet no new prisons are being built to accommodate the extra criminals that an increase in people numbers will inevitably bring
yobbish behaviour, vandalism and minor theft are not usually imprisonable crimes (or even 'serious' crimes) - a yob now might happy slap and post a video on you tube, a yob 100 years ago may have kicked a beggar. do you think theft is a new thing? or are shop keepers now more aware, is cctv catching people who would before have gone un-noticed.
so let us consider crimes of a more serious nature.
are more women being raped? or are more rapes being reported?
are more children being molested? or are they now able to speak out where before they would have stayed silent though fear, naivety, what ever.
is there more gun crime? or is that compensated for by a drop in knife crime, and crimes involving other weapons.
are their more murders? or are they better reported?
the past will always be looked at in a more favorable light.
How? Were you there, or are they somehow exempt from normal human emotion?